Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain and products by 2030

Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by mrtksn on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:13PM (#23909271)

I hate this myth. Apple products are very repairable, I got repaired my iPhone numerous times and I know many people who did the same and there's a shop in every corner who can repair iPhones. In poorer countries, Apple products are passed down/up to generations. A 10 years old iPhone would still be repairable and often would be passed to a non-techie relative.

It's a well established fact that Apple products last long, thats why the second hand market is very strong. An iPhone is almost equivalent to cash.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by lhopki01 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:48PM (#23909635)

My wife's macbook ssd died the other day. 'Repairable' in this case meant replacing the entire motherboard for a cost of almost a new machine.

Repairable should mean just repairing what's broken not everything.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:14PM (#23909286)

Oh, tell me how you replace a battery, step by step ?

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by mrtksn on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:19PM (#23909336)

Go to the shop in the corner and get it replaced in few minutes.

Back in the days I replaced my iPhone 4s battery myself but it's not worth my time now days. Nothing complicated, you just need steady hands and sharp eyes but it's better done in the shop because they would have tools to hold it still and they are used to do it - so less chance to screw up. The replacement batteries often come with the special screwdriver that some people pretend to be impossible to get. In case you don't have the screwdriver a pointy knife would do too.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @06:51PM (#23911809)

Here how I replace the battery on my previous phone:

I order a new battery online.

I remove the backplate of my phone.

I swap the old battery with the new one.

For my new phone, it's exactly the same, but in need to remove 6 screws.

No need for steady hands, without screws, my grandma could do it.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by mrtksn on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @11:46PM (#23913727)

Good for you but the environmental outcome is the same. Actually, probably on iPhone is better because it's more likely that the shop will dispose the the old battery properly.

Also, what you describe is not about repairability, thats replaceability.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:48AM (#23915129)

It's really bad faith:

Repairing something, is, most of the time, swapping the defective part with a functional one.

Most of the people buy a new iPhone, or will ask yo Apple a battery replacement, most of the time, they don't ask to a repair shop.

"Better environmental outcome" you dismiss that, people will buy another iPhone due to this complexity, and this iPhone won't be disposed properly.

Also, the repairs shop are currently fighting apple for the right to repair.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by mrtksn on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:38AM (#23915368)

Theres's nothing complex at visiting a repair shop to swap your battery. It's a full blown industry of OEMs and small shops.

It's something you would do probably every 2 to 6 years, depending on your budged.

I don't see the reason to pretend that there are hundreds of millions of a year old iPhones in the trash. The reality is that iPhones are very long lasting devices with very strong second hand market and strong repair market, even the broken ones are recycled for their parts.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:20PM (#23919981)

People doesn't trust repair shops.

Sadly they can't replace the battery without the iPhone showing 'not genuine apple battery'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRYcEI-wx8 Apple admit themself that their iPhone are made to last 3 years : https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/apple-reveals-iphone-lifespan-...

Of course there is a strong second hand market, the iphone cost too much for a lot of people to buy it new.

I notice that you ignore every single arguments that you dislike. You admit yourself that replacing the battery is too hard for a regular person and must pay a repair shop to do it.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by mrtksn on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @07:37PM (#23922736)

Well, Apple obviously screwed up on this 3 years thing then as they last much longer.

Or maybe expected product usage is not the same as building not to last beyond that but you want to interpret it like that despite the evidence.

You should quit watching the repairs shop guy, he is not the most godd faith persons as he built career on bitching about Apple.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Thursday July 23, 2020 @08:35AM (#23926634)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by jon-wood on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:41PM (#23909559)

I’m not going to step by step this, but a battery replacement is about the easiest thing you can do to an iPhone. There’s some fiddly bits with small screws and ribbon cables, but it’s not actually difficult. I’ve also done screens, speaker assemblies, and microphone assemblies which are all much the same level. The only thing which will properly kill an iPhone in an irreparable way is it to drown the main circuit board, and with recent models being waterproof to some extent even that isn’t so much of a problem.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @06:57PM (#23911842)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B1ZxR9xpwQ

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/OnePlus+2+Battery+Replacement/5...

"About the easiest thing you can do to an iPhone". Did you forget about the "not genuine battery" too on iphone 11 and + ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRYcEI-wx8

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by andy_ppp on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:22PM (#23909373)

You type “replace iPhone battery video” into Google? Then after watching, should you feel comfortable eBay have plenty of well reviewed kits including the screwdrivers.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by Kuinox on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:01PM (#23911868)

Then I laugh how complex it is. The battery is the first component to die, you shouldn't have to tear apart your phone to replace it.

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Re:Apple commits to be 100% carbon neutral for supply chain ... by andy_ppp on Thursday July 23, 2020 @08:02AM (#23926388)

I managed it, pretty simple, probably 5 screws and a ribbon cable

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