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Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by kardos on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:03PM (#23899148)
There is a huge asymmetry between the effort to make an outrageous claim and that to refute one.

> I never, ever got called out.

In Reddit parlance: ain't nobody got time for that

Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by dqpb on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:26PM (#23899363)
They also have an inherent information theoretic advantage over non-outrageous claims when consumed by someone who is unable to discern their veracity.
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by Buge on Monday July 20, 2020 @04:55PM (#23901802)
Could you expand on that? Are you saying the more outrageous a claim it's the more likely people are to believe it? That itself sounds like an outrageous claim to me, so I would like to see evidence for it.
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by dqpb on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:54PM (#23909101)
Wikipedia says it nicely:

> the "informational value" of a communicated message depends on the degree to which the content of the message is surprising [0]

Of course, this assumes the message is factual. If it's not factual then the message carries no information (aside from the information it implies about the sender). But, that assumes the receiver is able to discern whether or not the message is factual. If the receiver can't discern that, then it simply appears to be a highly informative message.

False outrageous claims have the further advantage that they are unconstrained by reality. True surprising claims are by nature less likely to occur. That's why they're surprising. But there is no probabilistic throttle on false outrageous claims - one can generate them at whatever frequency they desire.

Thus, false outrageous claims have an information theoretic advantage over true claims because they outnumber true surprising claims, and they appear to be more informative than true unsurprising claims. My argument isn't that the more outrageous a claim is, the more likely people are to believe it, per se. My argument is that outrageous claims get more attention from people because they are less likely, and those who are unable to discern that they are false will simply see them as highly informative.

You could probably argue further that the more frequently an outrageous claim is repeated, the less improbable it will sound. In other words, start with an outrageous claim to get peoples attention, and then repeat it a lot to normalize it and reduce doubt about it's validity.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)

Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by malaya_zemlya on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:12PM (#23902855)
"Another topic is derived from things which are thought to happen but are incredible, because it would never have been thought so, if they had not happened or almost happened. And further, these things are even more likely to be true; for we only believe in that which is, or that which is probable: if then a thing is incredible and not probable, it will be true; for it is not because it is probable and credible that we think it true." Aristotle, Rhetoric 2:23 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:19...)
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by brlewis on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:53PM (#23899634)
> There is a huge asymmetry between the effort to make an outrageous claim and that to refute one.

Asking "Got evidence for that?" is sufficient refutation for baseless claims.

Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by closeparen on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:58PM (#23899684)
Make the opposite of your claim with an alt account. Then challenge it for evidence. Now your position wins by default.
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by Buge on Monday July 20, 2020 @04:52PM (#23901781)
Just because 1 side doesn't provide evidence doesn't mean the other side is correct. If neither side provides evidence then neither side is necessarily correct.

And in the absence of evidence, generally the simplest (common sense) explanation should be presumed most likely (Hanlon's Razor).

Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by kardos on Monday July 20, 2020 @02:14PM (#23900402)
I think this is the part that ain't nobody for time for
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by brlewis on Monday July 20, 2020 @02:59PM (#23900807)
If nobody's going to answer you, your position wins regardless.
Re:Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious by Buge on Monday July 20, 2020 @04:57PM (#23901824)
To prevent a position from winning by default it only requires a very simple reply: ask for evidence.