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Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by chrisco255 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:37AM (#23879533)
There's arguments to be said that this is a violation of ADA and grounds for massive lawsuits.

See: https://www.workplacefairness.org/medical-privacy-workplace#...

Also, just as a personal aside...I will gladly join massive, maskless protests to underscore that I will never accept medical testing as a condition of engaging in society. This is a completely unacceptable violation of civil liberties.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by Zanni on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:51AM (#23879593)
I assume you're referring to "Section 4. Can my employer require me to take medical tests in order to keep my job?"

But that section explicitly states, "... unless they are related to your job and necessary for the conduct of your employer's business.

I think there's a pretty strong case that the health and safety of fellow employees and/or customers during a pandemic qualifies.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by chrisco255 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:58AM (#23879617)
Yeah, no. There is no clause in the Constitution that says "except in a pandemic". We've had far worse pandemics than Covid-19, from tuberculosis to smallpox to Spanish flu, and no such provision was ever required. So if you want to get an amendment to the Constitution, start collecting signatures.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by bosswipe on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:12AM (#23879660)
The constitution doesn't say you have to wear pants either but it's still required. In any case the workplace link you cited is not in the constitution it's the disability law.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by lps41 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:45AM (#23880455)
Sorry, but you are wrong.

This would no more violate the ADA than random drug testing (legal) or requiring temperature checks, which some employers are already doing to protect against COVID-19.

Also, the ADA is not a constitutional amendment, so even if there is a potential conflict with ADA, Congress could easily address that in a new bill without needing to pass a new constitutional amendment.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:09AM (#23879653)
I’m sorry, but you’re just not right.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has a pretty wide reaching authority when it comes to fighting disease. If the federal government can quarantine entire towns and force vaccines, they can similarly force you to be tested.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by chrisco255 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:18AM (#23879683)
No, they haven't. There's no such precedent in U.S. history.

They can't quarantine towns from the federal level. Not in the least. A state might be able to, because the 10th amendment is a thing, but Federal government cannot. And neither state nor federal government can force vaccines because it violates the 4th amendment. You don't get to search my body for diseases and use them to discriminate against me. Sorry. Furthermore, Roe v. Wade was argued on the basis of a right to privacy that's implicit. So no, I'm right on this.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by sfblah on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:43AM (#23879772)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/05/15/national-q...

I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion, but at least some people disagree.

Edit: and, your claim that there is no such precedent is a flat out lie.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by irrational on Saturday July 18, 2020 @05:34AM (#23880221)
No such precedent? George Washington forced vaccinated his entire army from smallpox. There is precedence from the very start of the country.

I am so embarrassed on your behalf.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by bernie_simon on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:49PM (#23884266)
Wikipedia says Jenner first demonstrated the smallpox vaccine in 1796. The revolutionary war ended in 1783.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by irrational on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:55PM (#23884311)
According to a tiny bit of research, it was a crude form of smallpox vaccination, yet still a vaccination.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:44PM (#23884683)
Inoculation, technically.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by EliRivers on Saturday July 18, 2020 @05:49AM (#23880273)
From an outside viewpoint, this is an interesting demonstration of a failure mode of the US social and political system.

Of all the hills to die on, "not wearing a safety mask" [0] is one of the more batshit crazy, but in a nation where the people have decided that "schoolchildren being slaughtered in their classrooms" is an acceptable price to pay for free and easy firearms, I guess it's not surprising that "people dying horribly, gasping for breath as their lungs fail" is an acceptable price for not wearing a safety mask.

[0] This poster's particular hill isn't the mask, but it is for some, and if I'm doing "batshit crazy", there it is.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by Fjolsvith on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:47AM (#23881359)
> in a nation where the people have decided that "schoolchildren being slaughtered in their classrooms" is an acceptable price to pay

There hasn't been a single death in California from Coronavirus for any child, period. In the US, there've been about 20 deaths, nationwide, of children from COVID.

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 18, 2020 @12:55PM (#23882753)
They’re making a comparison between our inaction on school shootings to our inaction on COVID. You’ve completely missed their point.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by Fjolsvith on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:46PM (#23884701)
Oh. I get it. They're really shutting schools in the US down because of school shootings. That makes sense.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by perl4ever on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:46PM (#23885474)
I think you probably agree with the original commenter that school shootings have killed more than the coronavirus (within the age group). They are saying, if people don't really care about the former, it's not surprising they don't care about the latter, which has killed fewer people. Are you really disagreeing with what they said or just the tone?
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by EliRivers on Sunday July 19, 2020 @02:34PM (#23891350)
You know, I actually think you've got a point to make and I can see the shape of it, but you're so inept at expressing yourself that you come across as either completely misunderstanding or just plain wrong. I guess this is still an insulting thing to say, but at least it's not wrapped in snark or passive-aggression.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:46PM (#23885473)
I genuinely can’t tell if you’re making a bad argument, or if you still don’t get it.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by EliRivers on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:56AM (#23881398)
Read the whole comment before jumping in. I said the people have decided that schoolchildren being slaughtered in their classrooms is an acceptable price to pay for free and easy firearms.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:48PM (#23885485)
It’s peak HN that you’re getting downvoted for explaining your own comment.
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by Fjolsvith on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:55PM (#23884774)
> "people dying horribly, gasping for breath as their lungs fail" is an acceptable price

Ever heard of big tobacco? I got lots of relatives that died like that after enjoying cigarettes all their life. It is not surprising.

But, when you consider that the second amendment is an inalienable right, one has to wonder how to separate children from their guns.

"Parents, please don't send your child to school with their gun."

Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by selimthegrim on Saturday July 18, 2020 @11:27AM (#23882005)
Mayhe they didn’t die but this Kawasaki like complication is a thing
Re:The explosion of new coronavirus tests that could help to... by johncearls on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:25PM (#23884065)
You are not alone, no matter what the downvotes say.