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Re:Gaius Julius Caesar Pleads Against Norm-Breaking–Weekend ... by 082349872349872 on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:32PM (#23875952)
Context: G. Julius Caesar would break norms himself in -49.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Rubicon#Julius_Ca...

Interestingly, the work in which this pleading occurs appears to not have been written until after the results of alea iacta est had settled down, in Caesar's favour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sallust#The_Conspiracy_of_Cati...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar%27s_Civil_War

Re:Gaius Julius Caesar Pleads Against Norm-Breaking–Weekend ... by jbdelong on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:51PM (#23886356)
It is not clear what game Sallust is playing in his _Cataline's Conspiracy_ here. Is Caesar wisely warning against norm-breaking? Is Caesar trying to cut Cataline & co. a break? Or is Caesar warning Cicero of what he Caesar, will do in -49, and what his adopted son Octavian will do to Cicero in -43?

There may be many layers of irony here...

Re:Gaius Julius Caesar Pleads Against Norm-Breaking–Weekend ... by golem14 on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:06PM (#23875555)
Reading the classics often make me feel we achieved very little improving our base instincts in the last 2000 years.

Robert Harris has a number of pretty cool historical fiction books about Cicero (Imperium, Pompeii, Conspirata) that are a good read also and put much of the goneby times in context.

Re:Gaius Julius Caesar Pleads Against Norm-Breaking–Weekend ... by behrlich95 on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:10PM (#23875605)
Those Robert Harris books are a great read. And surprisingly historically accurate as well.
Re:Gaius Julius Caesar Pleads Against Norm-Breaking–Weekend ... by behrlich95 on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:56PM (#23875446)
All the credit here to Brad DeLong. Just wanted to share something interesting.