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Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by Mountain_Skies on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:42PM (#23875285)
My girlfriend is a middle school guidance counselor. She was spending most of her week during the end of the school year dealing with referrals from teachers for students who weren't doing any work at home. Not just slacking off some, but entirely refusing to do anything. She'd try contacting the parents but many would never return her calls. The few she did contact weren't very concerned or admitted they lacked a way of making their child do their school work.

Her main concern is that this is going to widen the achievement gap between students with high parental involvement and those with low parental involvement. They've spend a lot of time trying to come up with strategies to deal with the situation but outside of sending government officials to the home for an on-site evaluation (problematic for many reasons), there's little they can do. She's worried that as time goes on, the number of students discovering they can get away with doing no work will increase.

Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by sokoloff on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:19PM (#23875708)
> this is going to widen the achievement gap between students with high parental involvement and those with low parental involvement

How could it not? Volunteering in my kids' school since they were in kindergarten, it was sadly clear to me that some of the kids got dealt a pretty bad hand in terms of parental involvement (often out of conflicting demands on the parents, I'm sure). COVID-related home-schooling hasn't helped anything I'm sure.

Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by chrisseaton on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:15PM (#23875651)
If a child refuses to do anything when they were physically in school what was being done about it then?

You can’t physically force someone to learn then and you can’t now.

Not sure anything’s changed really.

All they did before was remove disruptive children and now I guess they remove themselves. Remains an unsolved problem!

Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by watwut on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:41PM (#23876168)
They were less likely to refuse the work. For one, kids are herd animals and when other kids are doing work, it motivates the slacker. For the other, teachers actually make them - most kids just kinda don't want to do it and will if pushed by teacher or motivated by system of rewards.

Second, doing work at home alone all the time is much demotivating for even good kids. And parents are less fun to explain things then teacher, because most parents sux at it all. Some end in power struggle others just don't know what to do.

Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by Mountain_Skies on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:49PM (#23876285)
I can't say for sure but it was my impression that many of these students don't have parents at home during the day. The school system my gf works for is in an area with several meat processing plants, which I assume are considered essential. There are also many undocumented workers in that area. For those who were doing jobs that weren't considered essential, they probably can't rely on being able to collect unemployment and had to go find other work. It's a lot to ask of middle school age children to be self motivated especially if their friends around the neighborhood were outside playing or coming over to hangout, regardless of lockdown orders or not.
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by inerte on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:34PM (#23877287)
Teachers are so under appreciated. It takes a lot of knowledge, training, and some have years and years of experience on how to make kids pay attention to the class and study. I am trying really hard at home but there's no way I can even match any of the teachers my son has at his school on almost everything they do.
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by WrtCdEvrydy on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:26PM (#23876698)
You'd send them to in-school expulsion (basically an empty room for 8 hours, no talking, no phones allowed.
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by chrisseaton on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:45PM (#23876872)
Why would they do anything more there if they weren't willing to do anything in the classroom?
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at... by Larrikin on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:46PM (#23877410)
Most bad kids feed off an audience and distract the class. 8 hours in near silence, with no peers to feed off is a punishment.