Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at...
by ben_w on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:58PM
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If a vaccine cannot happen, neither can herd immunity.
I read it has been eliminated in New Zealand, so elimination is possible with good government: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/new-zealand-coronavir...
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at...
by twblalock on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:11PM
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> elimination is possible with good government
Good government, plus living on a small island that can close itself from the rest of the world. Most countries aren't in that situation.
Re:Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at...
by vkou on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:32PM
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Most of the vectors of COVID spread in the US have little to do with failing to close itself off from the rest of the world. If you have the political will, you can implement quarantine for international travelers, which will catch the overwhelming majority of externally-sourced cases.
The US did not do so, because it was too disruptive to business, and because good, sober governance has been an explicit non-goal for the past few decades, on both state and federal level - but especially in the last few years.
Not yet. It ain't over yet though, even though it might seem like it elsewhere. Basic facts are: herd immunity is prohibitively expensive from the fatalities perspective (although it may be our only long term option), a vaccine is not guaranteed to ever exist, and C19 is now endemic, so it will come back. Oh and also, for the society to function people must be able to work.
To poster below who said that no vaccine == no herd immunity. That's actually not true. For a vaccine to be approved it needs to be safe. Herd immunity will just happen eventually, no approval needed as the virus itself doesn't care if it's "safe" or not. Paradoxically, the society will likely prefer to tolerate higher body count due to not having a vaccine at all, rather than smaller body count for a vaccine that is unsafe in a small, but not completely negligible percentage of cases.