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Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by chki on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:02AM (#23870543)
>Stuttgart 21 or the Berlin Airport, Hamburg Elb Philharmonic, Battleship Gorch Fock

None of those are examples of corruption, unless you have an almost unlimited understanding of what constitutes corruption.

Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by VMG on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:46AM (#23871064)
There is a small group of actors that benefits from these projects. The bribery part is hard to prove, I give you that, but it is very likely.
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by chki on Friday July 17, 2020 @11:40AM (#23871697)
Bribery isn't "hard to prove" but instead there are no credible bribery accusations at all. Missmanagement in massive infrastructure projects are a much more reasonable explanation. It also makes a lot of sense because the actors are often state government officials that have never overseen a comparable project. Planning an airport or a new flagship concert hall is difficult. I agree that there were serious mistakes but they can be very well explained by incompetence rather than bribery.
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by hef19898 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:22PM (#23873725)
And this cluelessness is then abused by contractors. With flanking maneuvers targeting political leadership. No clear cut corruption, but the lines get blurry.

Fun fact, for a very long time German companies could declare bribes paid abroad in their taxes. Legally. Seems that a lot of people didn't get the memo that bribery was, indeed, illegal now.

Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by formerly_proven on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:46PM (#23876235)
> Fun fact, for a very long time German companies could declare bribes paid abroad in their taxes. Legally. Seems that a lot of people didn't get the memo that bribery was, indeed, illegal now.

Surprisingly realistic policy, considering that bribery is simply part of everyday business in some locales.

Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by literallycancer on Saturday July 18, 2020 @11:43AM (#23882123)
Of course they would, in some places it's just the way business is done. At least if they declare it, you can plan for it when executing projects abroad.
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by oh_sigh on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:32PM (#23873834)
Why would the management of a massive project be given to a group that has no experience with such a massive project?
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by tormeh on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:30AM (#23881286)
There's a podcast on this. "How to fuck up an airport". The short answer is that all the bids were realistic-ish, and therefore too high for the budget. So the Berlin politicians went "We'll do it ourselves! Much cheaper!". And lo and behold...
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by HPsquared on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:46AM (#23880457)
Any number of reasons. Maybe they had the lowest bid?
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by heavenlyblue on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:23PM (#23882968)
Well, it’s not hard to mismanage something especially if you want to mismanage it.
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by pantalaimon on Saturday July 18, 2020 @08:12AM (#23880851)
There have been multiple corruption cases surrounding BER which also explains the level of incompetence at display here.
Re:Germany’s top financial supervisor dismissed a decade of ... by chki on Saturday July 18, 2020 @08:39AM (#23881018)
You are correct regarding the BER, apparently there have been some corruption accusations I didn't know about!