I wonder if we could train something that would automatically generate typical comments on HN threads.

- This is EEE!

    - No it's not, there is no third E

         - Well, back in the 90s such and such happened

    - Microsoft has changed! Look at VS Code!

         - Electron is slow.

              - Buy a better machine.

                   - what about the millions who can't afford a better machine?

              - Electron can be good, just code better.

         - but muh privacy

              - exactly, VS Code is going to take over the world with it's knowledge about your coding habits

    - It's all about Azure nowadays, anyway.

         - Azure has terrible customer support, we should use bare metal.

Nice self-fulfilling prophecy!

This tool seems to be the first foray into the second ‘E’.

How is releasing a tool for linux "extending" it? If so every company that has ever shipped software for linux has "extended" it.

Extend would be forking the linux kernel and adding a bunch of interfaces for it that somehow have patents owned by MS so that they could not be reintegrated into mainline.

Extinguish would be to get all the distros to start using MS'es kernel and interfaces instead of mainline.

If we think back to the web, MS releasing software for linux is like them having a webpage. MS forking and adding proprietary interfaces to the kernel would be like all the DX filters and activeX apis added to IE. MS getting dominant players to use those interfaces would be like all the webpages having "Works best in IE6" logos.

This is still firmly in the first E. It could be argued that back when you could only develop Azure Sphere (their IoT linux distro) on windows it started to creep into the second E, but now you can develop for it on linux too, so perhaps that puts us back on the first E. The directX stuff in WSL is definitely a second E move though.

That's literally what Windows Subsystem for Linux is. Trying to integrate Linux into Windows.

Where's the extinguish? Get everyone so addicted to procmon for Linux that they stop paying for strace?

Embrace linux by offering WSL.

Extend by offering stuff exclusive to WSL, e.g. their directX and cuda stuff.

Embrace by releasing procmon, powershell, ... . <-- You are here.

Then offer nice additional features that happen to only be available on some blessed config/integration with AD/...

Embrace linux by offering NDK

Extend by offering stuff exclusive to Android, e.g. their Java and NDK Native APIs stuff.

Embrace by releasing Play Store only APIs, ... . <-- You are here.

Then close down NDK to anything that isn't Android relevant.

So your argument is "but, but google is doing it, too!"?

... and that makes it better/worse/look a three-headed monkey is behind you?

That's the default response you get from MS "inclined" people, I've seen it everywhere. I had to stop visiting the Windows 10 reddit because it's so tiring. And there's also the anti-floss comments. I truly believe they are not paid by MS and aren't paid shills, they are just people that obsess over brand wars because they are bored, or have a lot of investiment in MS related tech (time, money, career) and feel like they need to preserve that, or in some cases it's just severe mental health issues. If you think it's hyperbole you need to lurk there a few weeks and see it for yourself. I'm talking with technical merits aside, because there are a lot of MS technologies I would love to use if things were different. But I just don't trust them, just like I would never install e.g. a Google Drive native client in my Linux machine.

The EEE debates are very boring and I understand it can feel like MS is being singled out but they deserve all of it. I often wish MS rises to the top again just so newer generations can experience first hand what that feels like. But now that Google and other companies perfected the boiling techniques I'm not sure it would be noticed.

I wish we could all stop fighting each other over these issues and just collectively bashed and scrutinized ALL the companies together, everyone would benefit. But that's easy to say, I can't even read about MS or Google without getting irrationally mad.

Yes, because apparently for the MS hating crowd everything is fine when Google and others are is doing it.

How are you enjoying the BSD upstream updates done by Sony?

So monkey and some "crowd" supposedly is doing something, okay.

Luckily I don't have a FOSS agenda that pretends that some corporations are better than others with human characteristics.

The time of rainbow colours and cheerful music is long gone for me.

No,

Then close down NDK to anything that isn't Android relevant. <-- You are here.

https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An...

You are replying to a question "Where's the extinguish?"

You managed to write 44 words without addressing that. But hey, at least you tried. Most EEE conspiracy folks usually stay silent when asked about the extinguish strategy.

Nope, the (rhetorical) question/comment was that releasing this is not "extinguish". Duh, because it is "embrace".

You're skipping ahead of yourself, wait for them to build proprietary extensions in WSL.

The entire point is move people away from Linux and back onto the gimped version of the platform provided by MS.

Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23867754

Not sure how this relates to the project at hand. It's a process manager. for linux.

it has nothing to do with linux - in fact it does not even run on linux

What do you mean? Look at the readme. It runs on linux.

Microsoft making their products better? What an absolutely evil plot they're concocting!

Ya'll stuck in the Microsoft of 20 years ago. I hold no great love for Microsoft or its products, and large corporate power can always be abused, but screeching "EEE!" at the slightest hint with no evidence based on assumptions on what they might do in 5 years is just silly.

I wouldn't say there is no evidence. And as for previous behaviour, people used to applaud what they were doing when they were embracing OS/2.

"Fool me once ..."

MS (like all corporations) only cares about one thing, making money. It's not silly to distrust a corporation that has repeatedly in the past stolen, subverted, and act in bad faith as soon as a 'threat' to their complete dominance has shown up.

Yes, most of the old-guard are gone. (Gates, Ballmer, etc) But I'm not entirely ready to trust them yet. (Windows10 telemetry, not honouring user-defined configuration [Peer-to-Peer updates active even though it's disabled in user-facing options], Candy Crush and all other game 'apps' being pulled from the MS store.)

So they aren't even acting wholly trustworthy now, even under this current management. Why would I trust them to be nice with Linux?

Windows supports POSIX since Windows NT, released in 1993.

WSL is only the realization that Linux killed POSIX and noways the Linux ABI is more relevant than POSIX.

Something that other UNIX clones like Solaris, illumos, SmartOS and FreeBSD also support.

Surely, then we can always bring Tizen, Android and ChromeOS into the comments as well.