News for hackers. Stuff that matters.

A comment on Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says. Parent comment

Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by arkis22 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:35PM (#23866716)
I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, but why are women changing their bodies to match their gender superior to men changing their bodies to match their gender?
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by geofft on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:55AM (#23867188)
Nobody said anything about "superior". Men changing their bodies to match their gender are generally not prescribed estrogen, so it doesn't make sense to reference them in the context of people being prescribed estrogen, that's all.
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by arkis22 on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:34AM (#23867387)
you're really quite sure that trans women are not offered estrogen?
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by geofft on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:21AM (#23868385)
I think we're agreeing vehemently. But I'm not sure. To be clear, since trans women are women, "men" doesn't refer to trans women.
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by tsimionescu on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:39AM (#23867425)
Trans women are offered estrogen, of course. Neither cis nor trans men are normally prescribed estrogen.
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by arkis22 on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:52AM (#23867496)
what is your point, why would you give estrogen to a straight male or a born female who identifies as male?
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by tsimionescu on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:44AM (#23867821)
Aplogies, I assumed you were calling trans women starting estrogen therapy 'men'.

The whole thread started because the OP was using the word 'men' to refer to people who are just starting estrogen therapy specifically, not hormone-replacement therapy in general. The person you initially replied to was pointing out that trans women prefer to be called (trans) women at that point, not 'men seeking a gender change'.

You seem to have assumed that they were putting trans men at a disadvantage, but the discussion was never about trans men. It was always about the proper terms to use for someone who is seeking estrogen, whether they should be talked about as 'men seeking to change their gender' or 'women seeking to align their sex with their gender'.

Unfortunately, from your earlier reply, I assumed that you were insisting on the use of 'men' in this case, and I wanted to point out why I believe 'trans women' is more correct. I realize I was wrong in my assumption.

[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by floatingatoll on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:50AM (#23867859)
In people who are not seeking estradiol treatment for body dysphoria, prescribing estradiol can still be a viable treatment for issues other than body dysphoria where, due to genetic or other issues, raising their circulating estradiol (E2) blood levels results in a medically positive outcome. In one paper on this topic, two such medical conditions are hypogonadism and prostate cancer:

https://eje.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/eje/181/...

[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by qtplatypus on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:38AM (#23867417)
Trans men are not offered estrogen. Which is what the parent is saying.
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by arkis22 on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:49AM (#23867474)
trans men are born female who are male. why would you give them estrogen
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by 2038AD on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:21AM (#23867685)
Exactly
[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by floatingatoll on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:10AM (#23867975)
They're offered estradiol, not estrogen.
[ Parent | on HN ]