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Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by quickthrowman on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:21PM (#23865504)
Well, they don’t leave the keys in the ignition ;)
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by sjwright on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:24PM (#23865540)
Or fuel in the tank.

And it’s probably being blocked in by other planes. Those desert boneyards don’t park planes with random access in mind.

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by quickthrowman on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:26PM (#23865564)
Looks like they leave fuel in the tank if it’s for short term storage, but they drain various fluids if it’s longer term storage. Probably depends on the circumstances.
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by sjwright on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:13PM (#23866258)
Precisely—and this circumstance is retirement with no prospect of a quick sale.

At a guess, they’ll probably have limited parts value, only that which would be valuable to operators of 747 freighters. Mainly the engines, if they’re in good nick.

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by pirocks on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:30PM (#23865589)
As a random fun fact planes don't have keys.
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by Wowfunhappy on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:39PM (#23865658)
Do they have some other authentication mechanism instead?
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by plttn on Thursday July 16, 2020 @09:11PM (#23865875)
The authentication method is knowing how to fly said plane and getting in said plane in the first place.

The planes that are relatively accessible aren't flightworthy without effort, and the planes that are flightworthy require violating federal law (in the US) to access them.

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by gruez on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:47PM (#23866778)
>and the planes that are flightworthy require violating federal law (in the US) to access them.

That doesn't really answer the question though. Breaking into a house also violates laws, yet it happens all the time. If you've made it onto an airport tarmac, can you just steal a plane?

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by stephen_g on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:16AM (#23867280)
It's logistically very difficult. Getting fuel into it usually takes a special truck, so you'd need access to that (when a plane is parked overnight it would have a little bit of fuel in it, but not enough to get very far after taking off). Even getting into the plane is difficult - you'd need a stair truck, and somebody to move the stairs out of the way when you're in. If it's parked somewhere where you can't just taxi out, you need somebody in a tug to do a pushback.

So assuming you're that far in, and you know how to start it up, you don't have a flight plan logged, so the tower isn't going to give you clearance to take off. If you take off without permission, they're going to call the air force, so you'd better be in a country that doesn't have a very big air force or a nearby base, and you probably want to choose somewhere where you can get into another country's airspace who isn't friendly with the country you stole the plane from...

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by grkvlt on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:35PM (#23877784)
it's easier than you might think. for example, on a 747 you don't need external stairs, since access is available via the nose wheel landing gear bay [0] according to a pilot.

0. https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/2605/can-large-...

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by Redoubts on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:09AM (#23866908)
It's happened before

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/opinions/seattle-stolen-plane...

> most airlines do not lock airplanes because access can only be obtained by security vetted employees through jet bridges and coded door ramp access.

Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by worewood on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:16PM (#23866281)
I don't think the law was a deterrent to 9/11 te'rists.
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by anamexis on Thursday July 16, 2020 @09:07PM (#23865858)
Airliners generally do not.
Re:British Airways announces immediate retirement of 747 fleet by kayfox on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:55PM (#23865778)
Some small ones do.