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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by save_ferris on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:51PM (#23864215)
One is medically approved, while the other sounds to be like some experiment/retribution that someone did to a minor. Do you really not see the difference here?

> “Estrogen is not a treatment for ODD. I can’t be more emphatic about that,” McGough said. “You won’t find a reference anywhere that supports the use of estrogen for ODD.”

There's no way this was medically approved.

Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by Natsu on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:05PM (#23864325)
For what it's worth, I've personally witnessed esketamine make major improvements to treatment resistant depression after a single treatment when nothing else is working worth a damn. So it's pretty clear to me that it is a real treatment with good cause for using it.

Now, it didn't work in our case because of underlying psychosis, which also means it's dangerous as heck and needs to be used carefully, but in terms of effect size, someone can go from rating their depression as 10 out of 10 down to zero in one treatment.

So I wouldn't be hasty to discard it, just careful to use it on the right people and maybe I'd figure out some way to deal with the psychosis so that those who might otherwise get excluded could have the benefits too.

Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by Deely123123 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:49PM (#23864207)
Sarcasm? Behavioral disorder therapy is not equal to hormone therapy.
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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by oehpr on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:04PM (#23864318)
Internet comment forums are sure a weird social dynamic. It feels like your talking with a group of friends, but also, we're all strangers meeting for the first time.

So cracking a sarcastic joke, a thing that really only works if you know your audience and your audience knows you, feels safe, but obviously doesn't work very well.

Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by autokad on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:58PM (#23864266)
i disagree. we have treatments that have been shown to be helpful for a given disease. its not perfect but giving out random cocktails is not the norm. estrogen is not a treatment for that disease, which is why this is a headline and that action (as far as I can tell) is heinous.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by anoxor on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:02PM (#23864300)
This is extremely rare, worth media attention, and rightfully outcry and pursuing justice through legal means.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by filoleg on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:48PM (#23864194)
well, the main issue is that people usually opt for estrogen/ketamine therapy voluntarily and for specific problems those therapies are supposed to address (estrogen for gender reassignment, ketamine for chronic depression), neither of which seems to be the case here.