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Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:43PM (#23860755)
How's your career? Did this have an impact?

Mine is ruined and this might have contributed a little. I'll never be more than an intermediate developer and I'm worried about being fired/laid off.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by t-writescode on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:29PM (#23861370)
Don’t believe that about yourself for a second. I regularly scored low marks at a previous company of mine; and, even during one review, I got a ‘you improved a lot! But your coworkers improved even more, so you’re getting a [low rank] again.’

I’ve since moved on to different positions at different companies and am doing plenty fine. I’m even the senior member on a new team I’m joining now.

A few bad years or even many bad years don’t end your career :)

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:40PM (#23861508)
I once had a manager give me an FDN rating and when I asked what I can do to improve she told me "just keep doing what you're doing".
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by opportune on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:04PM (#23861823)
I’ve been told this several times when I’ve asked what I could do to get a higher rating or promotion. It always meant that there was some tenure element to the rankings. I think from the manager’s perspective they are being both honest and reassuring, but from the report’s perspective, it’s very frustrating knowing your progress is being limited, and hard work wasted, due to some bureaucratic limitation. And knowing that in practice it’s possible for exceptions to be made and it’s possible your manager isn’t advocating strongly enough for you.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:44PM (#23862341)
At my company it wasn't a tenure thing, although I think that played an informal role as to why I was picked vs someone else. When a manager picks someone for the highest rating some departments require the manager to also pick someone as an FDN to "balance it out".

In this case I know the guy that got the high rating. As weird as it is to say, and even when the wound was fresh, I was/am happy for him and he deserved it. He's a nice guy and he had nothing to do with the rating I recieved. He's now a manager several levels up.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by opportune on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:51PM (#23872579)
Ah, I didn’t realize “FDN” was a bad review
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:34PM (#23876773)
Yep, it shows up on your record for 3 years when posting for a new position or promotion, maybe longer for management positions.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by PopeDotNinja on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:53PM (#23862447)
What's an FDN rating?
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:05PM (#23862592)
Further development needed, aka you're not successfully meeting expectations for your role.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by castlecrasher2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:21PM (#23861265)
>I'll never be more than an intermediate developer

Do you mean this at your specific company? I felt the same way in my last company because there was definitely nowhere to go up, but I've since moved on and am in a more senior role.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:36PM (#23861453)
I'm in my 30 with a family and find that I am much slower at learning new stacks now. I was a FileNet developer and then a Neoxam developer. There aren't many opportunities for me.

I'm also just tired of the bullshit and and mind games that management plays. My current plan is to gamble in the stock market and 'retire' whenever I can't take it anymore or get fired. I would love to retire to run a small farm and/or work a retail job like Lowes.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by perl4ever on Thursday July 16, 2020 @07:53PM (#23865263)
If you don't like the industry you're in, programming culture, or the software stack you're used to, one way to break out of it is to get a low level office job in the sort of place you want to work and figure out how to solve problems with technology among people who don't normally have developers at their beck and call.

This is also, I think, how you find a job that is very stable and secure - focusing first and foremost on something other than technology until they can't imagine hiring someone off the street to replace you who doesn't know the business.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @09:10PM (#23865872)
Thanks! I've sort of considered moving into a business role and becoming a business analyst. Seems like a huge pay cut (that I can't afford) and years of wasted effort.

I actually have a business administration minor and trade options and equities, so I have a better understanding of finance and the business than most people I work with in IT. I work for a large financial company and my previous team was amazed that I passed my CFA Foundations class without studying (it's not difficult like the CFA level 2 or anything).

Maybe I'll reconsider becoming a business person.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by brabel on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:14AM (#23869339)
With a knowledge of finance and software development, you should be able to choose jobs that use both but focus on either... I would expect such jobs to pay extremely well and there to be plenty of them, even if your current skills are a bit rusty!?! Maybe you're just overly reluctant to start looking for other jobs?
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:47PM (#23876890)
I've been browsing jobs for the month or two. I also browsed jobs when I was in my previous position. I'm not finding many jobs that fit my experience/skills.

I don't have any financial licenses or experience. I have a minor in business admin, but that doesn't mean much on a resume. So hardcore financial jobs aren't really an option. A tech job in a financial field could be good though.

The problem I'm finding with tech jobs is that they want an expert in a given technology. I have experience in Neoxam and FileNet, which are not very common. I would have to take an entry level job, but I'm just able to support my family now (with the hope of one day being able to retire). I'm also finding it much more difficult to learn new stacks as I'm getting older.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by PopeDotNinja on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:51PM (#23862430)
Wanna go 50%/50% on a farm? We can be nerd neighbors.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:07PM (#23862613)
Haha sure. I'll need to at least triple my money before I can even think about this as more than a dream.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by IggleSniggle on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:49PM (#23864201)
Not that poster, but in my personal experience praising others is good to match with humble by noisy comments about the work you are doing.

Whether this works or not depends if you have any psychopathic coworkers, which isn't something you can really know very easily.

I also don't think the actions of others really define whether or not you are "intermediate," unless you're only talking about some corporate ladder bullshit.

Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by gowld on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:24PM (#23862807)
Why are you worried about being fired? If you are underpaid for your work, your manager is happy to have you.
Re:When your coworker does great work, tell their manager by giantg2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:27PM (#23862841)
I recently switched stacks and I'm not coming up to speed as fast as they would like.

I'm also becoming demoralized after being looked over or screwed over for about 4 years.