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Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:46PM (#23853906)
> If the origin is not illicit then its not money laundering

It is if done for purposes of e.g. avoiding taxes or purchasing illicit goods.

That said, obfuscation per se is not illegal in most jurisdictions.

Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by vmception on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:04PM (#23854058)
so like an illicit origin? :)

yes, people need to be aware of the universe of illicit origins. When I was working for the US government most of the people indicted under these laws (structuring, avoiding reporting thresholds, and then obfuscation so money laundering) were not terrorists or drug dealers. They were people like landlords freaking out because a tenant was suing them and they wanted to move their money without triggering a real or imagined $10,000 threshold. Whoops structuring is illegal straight to jail and we’ll take the money too! Tenant lawsuit still pending lol.

All while HSBC completely undermined the ‘purity’ of the licit financial system in the tune of billions over many years on behalf of the LITERAL CARTEL. Guys, 9/11 wasn’t that expensive to pull off, and today’s compliance measures wouldnt have flagged those wire transfers, so who is this for?

Stigmatizing the whole concept of having money and moving money has been an expensive and unnecessary and fruitless exercise. While increasing the costs of offering a financial service.

Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by secfirstmd on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:24PM (#23854235)
Also obfuscating money can be important for an individual's safety. For example for victims of domestic abuse or human rights activists in repressive countries.
Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by CryptoPunk on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:16AM (#23856319)
Also the safety of individuals against government overreach, like people living in Xinxiang or Hong Kong.

Non-political checks on the power of the state, like cash and its electronic corollary, private digital currencies, are needed in case of the failure of the political system to prevent the state from becoming oppressive.

An institution like physical cash can be powerful/deeply-embedded enough to survive totalitarian governments.

Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:54PM (#23854466)
> so like an illicit origin?

No. The obfuscation of licitly-acquired funds used for illicit purposes is still money laundering.

Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by cerberusss on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:33AM (#23867072)
I doubt that is the case world-wide, right?
Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by IncRnd on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:02PM (#23855277)
In the US, "tax avoidance" is a term which describes procedures that are always legal. When you stated "avoiding taxes" I believe you really meant "tax evasion".
Re:Live BTC transactions in Twitter hack by Cthulhu_ on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:52AM (#23857354)
> That said, obfuscation per se is not illegal in most jurisdictions.

And it can't be, as long as fiat money exists. There's no tracing involved in passing notes around. The only times fiat transactions become suspicious is if you try and cross a border with a lot of cash or valuables on hand, which is where crypto comes in because it knows no borders. This makes law enforcement nervous.

I'm sure that besides crypto there's many ways to move large amounts of money or valuables across borders though. The rich do it, they just set up shell companies and pay licenses for intellectual property, paying a token amount of corporate taxes.