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Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by vishnugupta on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:12PM (#23849270)
Lowers/raises the bar. As part of interview feedback an interviewer is supposed to rate the interviewee as raises/meets/lowers.

Typically, just one lowers in an a loop of 6 interviews is sufficient to reject. On the other hand, a loop with all "meets" isn't a sufficient either. It needs about 3-4 "raises" to overcome just one "lowers". With two "lowers" the candidate won't even make it to the debrief or worse the loop will be cut-short.

The bar-raiser (it's their job) are expected to specifically look for candidates who raise the bar. Raising the bar == better than 50% of "employees" (not job seekers) at their level. The rationale, when the bar-raiser program was created, was that the collective competency in a corporation should increase as more employees are inducted.

Source: I was a bar-raiser at Amazon; 400+ interviews, 300+ as bar-raiser, conducted hiring boot camp, bar-raiser trainings, trained bar-raisers.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by oa335 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:37PM (#23851365)
How does the organization gauge its success in bar-raising? Did you guys just progressively hire less people over time?
Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by vishnugupta on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:14PM (#23853579)
Bar-raiser program didn't have a feedback loop to track its effectiveness. Bar raisers periodically met to discuss topics related to hiring and increasing interview bandwidth but we didn't evaluate the process as such.

That said, the program (like any such program I guess) didn't scale well with the immense pressure on increasing the head-count which in itself was a result of delivering more. Hiring managers and recruiters (who are incentivised to hire more) would rig up interview loops in a way to get their candidates through.

The program itself came under increasing scrutiny (I guess for the right reasons) as being too restrictive. I distinctly remember period between 2008-2012 they hired at a blistering pace, all over the world. In fact in Seattle when they moved into SLU campus the buildings went from empty to nearly 100% occupancy in a matter of year or so. You could even see it based on the number of product launches from 2012 onwards (AWS, the hardware products, new country launches etc.,).

And now Amazon is such a behemoth that it doesn't even make sense to speak about it or analyse it as a single entity anymore. My prediction is in 5-8 years it'll be broken up into at least three companies under Amazon as a holding corporation --- cloud, retail, and consumer devices.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by cmonnow on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:21AM (#23855734)
> Bar-raiser program didn't have a feedback loop to track its effectiveness

Which itself is a Bar-lowerer.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by foobarian on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:52PM (#23854446)
My judgment of Amazon is tainted badly by a bad apple we couldn't fire soon enough - I had the unsavory role to collect evidence for failing the PIP that would inevitably happen. Week after person was let go, he was at Amazon in a pretty good division.

I keep wondering how they hired this person - never in a million years would they have passed a regular hiring chain even with fizzbuzz type questions. Wonder if they had someone stand in for the interviews.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by decafninja on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:26PM (#23854707)
It's often been mentioned that interviewing skills is different from actual work skills. Could be that he's an interviewing wiz but a poor day to day engineer?

Netflix is well known for firing people that don't pull their weight with far more ease than most companies. But a friend who works there tells me there's still people there that perform poorly but somehow managed to get both hired and stay on.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by amznthrowaway5 on Monday July 20, 2020 @09:42PM (#23903635)
Not unusual at all. Interviews are team specific and people cheat them all the time if they know people on the team. Bar raiser system doesn't work.
Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by flak48 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:36PM (#23853173)
Companies tend to keep track of the onsite success to failure ratio and then if it's too low examine if the bar raising is too aggressive.

Which ends up going in the direction of meetings like "Should we standardize on what questions we are asking in interviews?" or "Should we standardize what pass means or fail means for a particular problem?"

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by sizzle on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:02PM (#23852685)
What about diversity candidates, is the "bar" lower for them? Genuinely curious.
Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by flak48 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:33PM (#23853135)
The general approach to dealing with low diversity in a team seems to be to increase the percentage of phone screens being allotted to diversity candidates (which on the other hand reduces the number of non-diversity applicants that get a phone screen).

And not actually lowering the bar during an interview / hiring committee meeting.

Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by rightbyte on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:42AM (#23984966)
If you select for something irrelevant lika race you ofcourse automatically lower the bar on average (and raise the bar for the discriminated race)
Re:Tech sector job interviews assess anxiety, not software s... by vishnugupta on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:58PM (#23853415)
While I was there, increasing diversity wasn't a priority for them. Now that I think about it, I don't remember diversity even as a discussion topic let alone efforts to address it.