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Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:21AM (#23846484)
>band, gear for sports and other items that contribute directly to the quality of a students education and experience

You don't fiddle your way out of generations of poverty.

Parents like to see their kids do extracurricular activities but technical skills (math, also physics) and communication skills (English) are what people need to succeed in life if they are coming from a background lacking in material wealth. When you don't have a lot of opportunities coming your way you need to be able to make good on the ones you do get.

Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by nitrogen on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:47PM (#23847853)
There was a pretty good line about this in the John Adams dramatization from HBO:

"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain."

(No idea what this website is, it was the first search result I found that had the quotation: https://livingforimprovement.com/two-powerful-life-lessons-f...)

Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by istjohn on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:42AM (#23846830)
Children do not thrive in stale, lifeless institutions that treat them like machines to be programmed with knowledge. They require opportunities for creativity, play, exploration, and also nutritious food and exercise.

Miserable, sickly children do not grow into intelligent, resilient, persistent adults who can claw their way out of poverty.

Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by refurb on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @10:32PM (#23855105)
Hmm... Asian children educated in such schools seem to thrive just fine.
Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by otoburb on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:51AM (#23856191)
I didn't believe you so I looked up estimated suicide rates per 100,000 per country from the WHO[1].

Turns out my intuition was incorrect based solely on estimated suicide data: The US has an estimated suicide rate for kids between 10-19 of 12.5 per 100K, while most other Asian country have lower estimated suicide rates (Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, etc), except for India which has the 4th highest estimated suicide rate for 10-19 year olds of 23.1 per 100K.

Although I'd still argue (weakly) that most Asian children aren't exactly thriving based on anecdotal evidence, and perhaps all that the estimated suicide rates indicate are that Asian children can grind through their respective education systems. However, I can't think of any other readily available figures that could help make my case so I am checking my gut intuition at the door.

[1] https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE5YEARAGEGRO...

Re:The accidentally resilient design of Athens apartments by bluGill on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:01PM (#23847153)
True, but there are cheap ways to get the play, exploration and exercise needed. Nutrition is overall cheap as well, but it requires time and effort that might not be available.