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Re:The global fertility rate is falling by ACow_Adonis on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:06AM (#23842500)
OK, but it's also hacker news. If we just want positive anecdotes and feel-good inspirational stories that don't get debated, and which don't fully address the point or get to the heart of the matter, we could go to a Tony Robbins seminar, and I say this as a both a dad and as someone who doesn't want to go to a Tony Robbins seminar.

Honestly, I appreciate the point counter point.

Re:The global fertility rate is falling by Apocryphon on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:11AM (#23842538)
True, but as someone who has seen many a HN discussion that lacks any sort of empathy or comprehension of social norms or conventions, I cannot help but to advocate for emotional literacy and for the understanding of emotional appeal. Perhaps some of the tech companies and platforms we are seeing face so many problems right now could benefit from emotional literacy. Too much head and not enough heart, one could say.
Re:The global fertility rate is falling by ACow_Adonis on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:56AM (#23842785)
Also agreed. I don't think anyone would argue that there aren't socially-challenged posters on the internet.

On the other hand, it's almost impossible to actually discuss certain socially-mandated topics objectively without someone playing the "emotionally stunted" card against anyone who takes the negative off the socially mandated position. And the poster in this case didn't call anyone names, and is also responding in a thread about worldwide birthrates. Far from being out of place and not reading the room, I think the second poster trying to effectively stigmatise his reply is the one in the wrong/ that can't read the room. If this is not the place for such a reply, it's hard to imagine where would be.

Re:The global fertility rate is falling by Apocryphon on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:17PM (#23848293)
The root post is very emotional and personal to the point of not really germane to this discussion as a whole. But it was sweet and heartfelt, and the proper response is to simply let it be, and respond to other branches in this very long discussion thread. If one disagrees with the thesis, they can simply ignore it and engage with a different subthread that advances it using a non-emotional approach.

Being prudent about which battles to fight and which debates to pick up and what statements merit argument is part of understanding social norms.

Re:The global fertility rate is falling by kilroy_jones on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @10:47AM (#23845915)
How would you suggest they broach the point that not every family turns out well? That some end up with kids watching from the car while their mom fights dad's drunken mistress in the Safeway parking lot while dad himself watches on, smoking a cigarette and having a beer?
Re:The global fertility rate is falling by bananaface on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:11AM (#23846297)
It doesn't need to be broached. It's obvious.
Re:The global fertility rate is falling by kilroy_jones on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:49PM (#23853315)
It's also obvious that some people have had great experiences with kids, yet someone posts it anyways, because this is a discussion forum where we share ideas, question and provide couterpoints. When someone posts a sentimental story as a singular data point on why kids are great, and follows it with a recommendation on having kids, they should expect feedback of all sorts, no?
Re:The global fertility rate is falling by bananaface on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:37AM (#23857576)
I find adversarial pedantry much more common than opening up about deep emotional experience, in general, and the latter is way more informative. I don't care that you can say, "not true 100% of the time, QED." Yes, ok, well done. I couldn't possibly have realised that on my own. So glad you have now stifled any emotional depth that the conversation was taking on.
Re:The global fertility rate is falling by bananaface on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:10AM (#23842531)
Tony Robbins is bad because he's a huckster, not because his genre is inspiration.