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Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by ogre_codes on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:54PM (#23838454)
You are splitting hairs. The problem isn't whether someone has their hands on the controls or not, it's the fact that the operator isn't paying attention to what's going on outside the vehicle.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by detaro on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:59PM (#23838513)
It's not splitting hairs if the expected reaction time and circumstances are so different. That being very unattentive can kill you in both doesn't make the differences irrelevant.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by ogre_codes on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:11PM (#23838639)
> It's not splitting hairs if the expected reaction time and circumstances are so different.

No, the likelihood of incident is vastly lower in the air, but the required reaction time is not necessarily different and could easily be a lot lower, particularly if you are flying IFR. That's the whole point, much like in a car, a pilot must have eyes outside the cockpit.

Again, I'm not arguing that Tesla is right here about advertising, just that the two technologies are very similar in nature. The other big difference is the fact that pilots have to go through training and are tested on their understanding of the specific technology they control. Drivers, never have to be certified or trained on any specific vehicle.

If a pilot treats autopilot in a plane the way some people treat it in a Tesla, there would be a lot more fatalities in air travel, particularly in smaller aircraft with older technology.

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by catalogia on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:17PM (#23838706)
It's not splitting hairs to say Tesla has a level 2 system at best but Elon Musk wants you to believe level 5 might be ready by next year.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by ogre_codes on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:23PM (#23838778)
No, it isn't. But it doesn't remotely relate to what I said either. Aircraft "autopilot" wouldn't be considered Level 2 either.

That's the point, there is a vast difference in the publics perception of what autopilots do in aircraft versus what they actually do.