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Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by ojnabieoot on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:11PM (#23837183)
Look I really don't have a dog in the $TSLA or Tesla fight - I have no investments in the stock market and due to a disability I cannot drive a car. My grievance is with celebrity CEO worship, and in giving CEO credit for labor's accomplishments (which is particularly egregious in the case of SpaceX).

Being an idiot conman and being a technical genius are not mutually exclusive. And clearly being an idiot conman and being the CEO of a valuable company aren't mutually exclusive. Musk's idiotic conning has repeatedly gotten Tesla into serious legal trouble, including running a con - and it's a plain con job - about Tesla's autonomous vehicle capabilities. I know I am being mean to Elon by calling him an idiot and if I were trying to be neutral I might say "recklessly dishonest." But facts are facts.

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by lazyjones on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:55PM (#23838471)
> I know I am being mean to Elon by calling him an idiot [...] But facts are facts.

You are not being mean, just silly. Elon clearly isn't an "idiot" however you stretch the meaning of the word, he's a highly capable and successful man and has demonstrated repeatedly his skill, both in engineering and entrepreneurship. And your opinion isn't a fact.

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by ojnabieoot on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:44PM (#23839932)
I am copying another comment of mine to address this. The point is that I am calling Musk an idiot because he has a long history of being an idiot. The comment was more addressing him also being an obvious con artist, but I think his idiocy shines through.

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[...]I am not denying that he is talented and he probably has a > 105 IQ.

The Autopilot controversy is just a straight con job, and a very stupid one. The BS about the $420 stock price was a horrendously stupid con job. His disinformation mongering about coronavirus - when he is smart enough to know the truth - is also a con job, both for his fans and his workers. Deliberately under-counting workers injuries at Tesla plants is conning safety regulators - it's not as dumb as Elon's other cons, but it's a con. Removing safety markers because Elon doesn't like them aesthetically is maybe not a con job but it is remarkably idiotic. The PR-motivated stuff about Musk engineering a solution to those kids trapped in Thailand - straight-up con job, and one that blew up in his face due to his idiotic and narcissitic use of Twitter. Hyperloop (remember that?) was always a con job, and one that was so transparently stupid that nobody but Musk could have gotten away with it.

I could go on. The point is that I am calling Musk an "idiot conman" because of

a) his well-documented affinity for conning his customers, fans, investors, and government agencies

b) his well-documented acts of being a huge idiot, including in his planning and execution of most of the above con jobs