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Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by uniqueid on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:03PM (#23834567)

   > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.
My my, that is brazen!
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by Nagyman on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:36PM (#23835033)
"have the hardware needed" ... being legalese/marketing speak for "the hardware may indeed be capable, but the software is not (yet)". So they're gearing people to expect the full self-driving capability, _eventually_. Shady to say the least.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by fluffything on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:13PM (#23835562)
That marketing was not misleading, it was and still is a lie. They have upgraded the hardware at least 3 times already.

The first time this lie might have been just sheer incompetence. But after three upgrades, I can only assume that the lie is malicious and negligent.

Musk has been claiming that his "fleet" of 10,000 robotaxis will arrive next year for a couple of years already. I mean, he is going to be right eventually.

But Tesla's competition, e.g., NVIDIA et al., are claiming that for full-self driving we'll at least need hardware with an order of magnitude more TOPs than what the current generation provides, and that we won't see that hardware before 2022-2023. They are also not promising that this hardware will suffice, only that they are pretty sure that it cannot be done without it.

I'm skeptical of Tesla's claims to say the least, but I guess we'll see. Statistically speaking, Musk predictions about when we are going to see full-self driving have been 100% wrong to date.

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by PeterStuer on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:16PM (#23835600)
How do you know the hardware is sufficient before you achieve the "full self driving" goal?
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by dlp211 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:23PM (#23838104)
This is rich. I was watching a K8S/Puppet video from 2016 on YouTube today. In that video, the presenter pulls up HackerNews and the 6th item on HackerNews at that time was exactly this:

All Tesla vehicles now have all the hardware needed for full self-driving capability

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by HumblyTossed on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:45PM (#23835147)
Big huge banner:

"Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars"

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by jdminhbg on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:11PM (#23834681)
It's also almost certainly true. Whether you think LIDAR-based systems are the way to go, there's no doubt that full self-driving based on cameras is possible given the right software. That's what humans are, after all, so it's "just" a matter of building the software to drive that hardware.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by bra-ket on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:33PM (#23834991)
the "right software" is nowhere to be found though
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by jdminhbg on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:05PM (#23835422)
They don’t claim to have it. I’m just pointing out that the claim as written is true.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by dlp211 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:27PM (#23838148)
It's may or may not be, and most likely not. Humans are more than just software, they are also hardware. And no, the consumer grade cameras included in Tesla vehicles are not replicas for eyeballs.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by readams on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:57AM (#23841501)
A human could likely drive just fine using only those cameras though.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by smnrchrds on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:24PM (#23834874)
Apple, HP, etc should take note and sell their laptops as "have the hardware needed for full AGI capability."

Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine."

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by typon on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:07PM (#23835453)
Beaches are just unrealized silicon chips
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by sgnelson on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:42PM (#23835109)
It's just software. How hard can it be? /s
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by jdminhbg on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:04PM (#23835404)
That’s why I put “just” in scare quotes.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by frenchy on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:21PM (#23835671)
> Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine.

Not that this invalidates your point at all, but doing that literally would actually be extremely expensive and difficult for some of the elements.

Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by perl4ever on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:19PM (#23838060)
Surely the extremely expensive and difficult to obtain elements aren't going to be in any vaccine.
Re:German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomo... by smnrchrds on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:46PM (#23836012)
It will be worth it. After all, COVID-19 vaccine is priceless. /s