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Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by dijit on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:48AM (#23810640)
Weird to see this here.

I have limited knowledge on these things; FD: I work for Ubisoft in their Massive Studio.

Ubisoft itself is incredibly silo'd; each studio and each function operates like a loosely coupled bundling of companies.

You can think of it like:

* Marketing has offices (or colo's in some offices) but has a completely seperate reporting structure all the way to Yves.

* (same for other business functions such as server hosting, exchange administration etc;)

* Studios operate with an entirely different culture from HQ.

* Studios develop games, those games are submitted for "stage gates" which is when Editoriale can say if something is fun, or if something needs to be cut or added.. Editoriale in HQ can only speak during those times (big milestones). Otherwise the Studio doesn't really talk to HQ. (save: marketing, I guess)

I can say that Massive is incredibly progressive, this isn't just a result of being Sweden, even some (not all) of the Swedes who work here think we're overcorrecting for progressiveness. We had Sarkeesian on site a few times to consult on games (and paid her handsomely for the privilege)

However.. and this is a big however:

There is also a culture of partying in the upper echelons, self-promotion, congratulatory/promotional incest and an "untouchable ego" that a lot of the upper management seem to have, this means that people at the top stay there, enrich themselves and keep others out. This doesn't apply to Yves himself, strangely, I've met him many times and is a fantastically humble, down to earth and generous guy. In fact he's made many moves that are directly against enriching himself in order to ensure that nobody can get the idea of shuttering a studio and putting people out of a job- and has actively worked (personally) against crunch culture.

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What I'm trying to say is that: each "head" is responsible for the culture they create; and some people are given the freedom to abuse that culture.

Yves see's that ability to abuse as a failure of HR and that's why (I speculate) that Cecile has been let go.

As far as I understand Serge has had no allegations levied against him; however it's unconscionable how much power he had- and it would have been easy to abuse accidentally (an off-hand comment/joke being taken as an instruction). Not saying he's not guilty of anything but that kind of power should not have been levied.

Notably the Editoriale team (gatekeepers for games) was recently expanded to be more diverse.. that diversity was all middle-aged white french guys who came from the same school and had worked in that department before.. so.. not very diverse.

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by consolenaut on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:23AM (#23810815)
I was just thinking "Huh, I used to work with someone who went to work for Massive" until I realized you were the same someone :) Interesting to hear how the Massive/Ubi editorial relationship works from the inside
Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by dijit on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:30PM (#23812518)
Oh interesting! Hello friend! it's a small internet!

Now I will wonder who you are for weeks! xD

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by hatenberg on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:38AM (#23810886)
Actually the Liberacion report leverages a while host of issues directly at Serge

- homophobic behavior - drugging subordinates - sexual harassment - alcohol excesses in the workplace

as well as his direct reports (selling drugs at HQ, assault, harassment.)

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by dijit on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:23PM (#23812463)
Interesting, I wasn't aware of this.

As much as it pains me to say it, drugging subordinates (or, supplying drugs and perhaps peer-pressuring) and alcohol excesses in the workplace are not complete unknowns.

EDIT You know I should really read the article instead of relying on internal mails; I see now the allegations made against Serge - I am quite certain that nobody at Massive was aware; and certainly Yves himself was not made aware.. which doubly explains why the head of HR was let go..

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by saos on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:59AM (#23810987)
> What I'm trying to say is that: each "head" is responsible for the culture they create

So often people forget that leaders set the cultural.

> Notably the Editoriale team (gatekeepers for games) was recently expanded to be more diverse.. that diversity was all middle-aged white french guys who came from the same school and had worked in that department before.. so.. not very diverse.

This saddens me. I do wonder if tech will ever see a proper shift in diversity within teams and leadership. But, what exactly is diversity?

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by kthejoker2 on Sunday July 12, 2020 @11:18AM (#23811994)
Diversity is variation among traits. It's easy to calculate for a given group, and also easy to devise a statistical test to ensure the group represents your desired distribution.

The only questions (to your point) are what traits you want to measure, and what distribution you desire.

For a product or service team, the traits you measure should be those that maximize product fit - that is, the chances that your target buyers will buy and enjoy your product.

And the distribution you desire should be a reflection of your target buyers.

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by dwaltrip on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:24PM (#23812468)
> For a product or service team, the traits you measure should be those that maximize product fit - that is, the chances that your target buyers will buy and enjoy your product.

This is overly reductionist. It makes me sad. Life is more than inputs in, product out, dollars in.

Humanity is also quite far from having the sophistication to properly design and construct the type of measurements you are talking about. If it is something we should even do in the first place.

The article I read right before coming to this comment page was the one currently on the front page about being “too efficient”. Very apt.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23809291

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by objclxt on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:08PM (#23812866)
> And the distribution you desire should be a reflection of your target buyers.

You seem to be saying your team should only be as diverse as your target buyers, but your target buyers are often only as diverse as your team.

If you try to ham-fist diversity by saying “oh, it’s representative of our customers” be prepared for somebody else to come along and snap up everyone you aren’t serving today.

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by sys32768 on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:01PM (#23812797)
Do you have any insight into what contributed to Far Cry 5 non sequiturs such as leaving out Native Americans (6.5% of MT pop) but including many more African Americans than would ever be present (0.45% of MT population) but fewer Asians than African Americans?

Edit: I'm genuinely curious how these things happen, whether intentionally or compromises due to budgets or time constraints.

Re:Ubisoft CCO Serge Hascoet resigns in wake of sweeping all... by dijit on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:10PM (#23812888)
I only know one person who worked on Far Cry 5 (the closer, who also worked on The Division 2 with me).

It's unlikely that she'd know, since closers tend to come in near the end, and artistic choices are usually finished long before - but I will ask.

If I had to speculate, and, remembering of course that it is purely speculation: giving people the opportunity to kill native americans might not have gone over well, especially with the rural american aesthetic.