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Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by recursivecaveat on Friday July 10, 2020 @05:54PM (#23796994)
Zoom really strikes me as the Dropbox of 2020. Took over a field full of mediocre products with one that "just works" for the casual user. 'to dropbox' was a verb too. Zoom will probably suffer the same fate, where the big corps catch up in UX and the little dedicated product can't keep up with the service you already have access to. When Google manages to properly integrate Gsuite with whatever chat service comes after Meet/Hangouts/Allo, then Zoom's days are numbered.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by jeffbee on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:51PM (#23798377)
The difference with Zoom is it was created by a person with decades of experience engineering video conferencing at scale.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by ryanbrunner on Saturday July 11, 2020 @06:05AM (#23800896)
I don't think this is all that different from Dropbox. For years, Dropbox was able to outperform all the big players who tried to compete because their core sync technology was rock-solid.

Still to this day, I find my ICloud sync folders can be fairly unreliable (files will take a mysteriously long time to appear once in a while) - I've never had anything like that sort of an issue with Dropbox (although I haven't used it in a while).

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by rescripting on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:50PM (#23798723)
I'm curious why this matters? Is dropbox's current failings its inability to scale?
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by whymauri on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:18PM (#23798898)
I think Zoom has proven that they have exceptionally good product vision. I'm not sure Dropbox has over the past few years.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by Guffton on Saturday July 11, 2020 @06:23AM (#23800972)
It may do but other providers will be just as good. So Zoom may find themselves squeezed out.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by jl108 on Saturday July 11, 2020 @04:05PM (#23805424)
these are two different topics
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by adventured on Saturday July 11, 2020 @02:37AM (#23800091)
> When Google manages to x y z

When pigs manage to fly. FTFY

If your premise is that Google will stop being so frequently incompetent at product and deliver a killer competitor for Zoom, then it's far more likely that Zoom's future is a bright one.

> Zoom really strikes me as the Dropbox of 2020 ... Zoom will probably suffer the same fate

Nobody killed Dropbox either, they have continued to expand year after year. Dropbox has grown its business every year for the past decade plus. You act like the competition wiped them out, when nothing like that has happened at all: Dropbox doubled the size of their business over the prior three fiscal years (2017-2019). I'm pretty sure that reasonably qualifies as thriving.

Zoom is growing even faster than Dropbox did, they'll be larger than Dropbox in another few quarters. So how many years will it take for the competitors to catch up in a way that considerably slows Zoom down and how large will Zoom be at that point?

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by rosywoozlechan on Friday July 10, 2020 @05:56PM (#23797010)
Does this apply to Slack as well?
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by echelon on Friday July 10, 2020 @05:59PM (#23797038)
Absolutely.

Chat is not a multi-billion dollar company.

Video conferencing is not a multi-billion dollar company.

File hosting is not a multi-billion dollar company.

The company that does all three of these things in an integrated fashion is. No single feature constitutes a platform or ecosystem, and there's certainly no defensive moat.

These single-purpose companies are just minnows to the bigger fish that have gargantuan budgets, extensive engineering headcount, and rich product ecosystems to pair these features with.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by askafriend on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:20PM (#23797248)
> Chat is not a multi-billion dollar company.

That's a naive perspective of the role Slack plays in many organizations.

For example, much of the monitoring and alerting workflows in our company run through Slack. We use it more than email. We can rollback production deployments with Slack commands as well as interact with our staging environments - and that's just the tip of the iceberg for the workflows we've built out with Slack's APIs.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by echelon on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:53PM (#23797532)
That sounds about as natural as using Xbox Kinect gestures. Additionally, your SLA is now also tied to Slack's, which is a multiplicative downgrade.

Not every integration makes sense. I know some companies doing business logic automation in Google Docs, and I'm also reminded of Twitch Plays Pokemon. Just because you make a choice to integrate with a product doesn't mean it's widely adopted, practical, or wise.

Or supported.

Edit: I want to clarify. I don't mean to be rude, and I wasn't in the room when y'all made these decisions. I just don't think Slack is the ship you want to tie yourselves to, especially not as your control plane.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by gavinray on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:03PM (#23797618)
> I know some companies doing business logic automation in Google Docs

Sorry, but I have to post this now:

https://github.com/learnk8s/xlskubectl

"xlskubectl integrates Google Spreadsheet with Kubernetes."

"You can finally administer your cluster from the same spreadsheet that you use to track your expenses."

It's a (working) joke of course, but a hilarious one.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by jjeaff on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:48PM (#23797991)
If they are like me, they use chatOps as a way to consolidate and shortcut different commands and dashboards. But by no means are operations dependent on our chat. If chat goes down, then you will simply need to login to our ci/cd service to initiate deployments, rollbacks, etc.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by quineoa on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:27PM (#23797310)
That sounds painful for an ops person. When I did ops work I much preferred to have as little abstraction as possible seeing how critical each action is.

I would never want my production deployment rollback tied to my instant messenger plugin working.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by santoshalper on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:33PM (#23798257)
How often are you rolling back production deployments that you need a Slack command to do it? Perhaps I am missing something but this does not seem like a good use of time for whoever put it together.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by user5994461 on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:25PM (#23797797)
It's funny you'd say that when there are so many companies doing chat and video software and they're all billion dollar companies.

Quick math, assume one tool is charging $8 per employee per month (meaning $100 a year). It only takes one million customers to be a billion dollar company ($100M yearly recurring revenues at 10x valuation).

And one million customers is just a couple of fortune 100. The whole market is orders of magnitude bigger than that!

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by lern_too_spel on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:49PM (#23798367)
That's assuming there is a monopoly. The cost of providing a chat service is low and dropping. If Microsoft or Google can provide it for free on top of the communications services companies are already buying, why would anyone pay an additional $8 per user per month for chat?
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by user5994461 on Saturday July 11, 2020 @05:55AM (#23800842)
Companies are paying as much as $25 per month per employee for minor tools. It's not uncommon that a company has 3 different tools doing the same thing. Enterprise are not rational actors trying to save money. Vendors don't go below $5 a month because they know enterprise will bear the cost.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by lliamander on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:27PM (#23797813)
> The company that does all three of these things in an integrated fashion is.

So Google? Microsoft might count too, but I haven't used their suite in a while.

Also, I would think integrated email would be necessary too.

Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by santoshalper on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:36PM (#23798276)
It is 100% going to be Microsoft. Google is laughably bad at enterprise software and Microsoft really has no meaningful competition at this point. Teams is now crushing Slack in market share for the exact reason he mentioned - enterprise IT managers do not like the Unix approach of small targeted tools. They like product suites. Office 365 is as every bit as dominant today as Windows was 20 years ago.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by lliamander on Monday July 13, 2020 @05:22PM (#23825722)
I see that Teams has full Linux support. I am glad.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by 55555 on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:23PM (#23798558)
Why do they like product suites? This is alien to me.
Re:Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011) by jackcosgrove on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:55PM (#23798765)
Probably because the product suite components integrate much more easily than a bunch of separate tools from different vendors. And there are fewer particulars to know if you stay in one ecosystem. Maybe there is even a unified administration console.