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Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by Robotbeat on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:13AM (#23791113)
Actions like these would be much more effective if we addressed our own human rights abuses like concentration camps of refugees and others at the border, rampant over-incarceration, and police brutality.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by throw_this_one on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:17AM (#23791682)
Laughable that they are even comparable. CCP is doing a legit population mindwiping.

I agree on over-incarceration the most. Police brutality needs to be backed up by numbers, not just a video or two every year that gets shown 1 million times on all media.

Most of those "refugees" are simply economic migrants. I don't blame them at all, but there's a point at which we need to have laws to see who/how people can get into this country to become a part of our society. Doing nothing and basically letting anybody who can walk here get in is NOT the answer.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by chub500 on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:59AM (#23792137)
There's a surprising amount of tu quoque getting thrown around here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Please before you call hypocrisy on the US government at least engage in the quality of the action they are currently taking.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by DiogenesKynikos on Friday July 10, 2020 @11:53AM (#23792809)
What the tu quoque arguments show is that the US' actions have nothing to do with human rights. The US cannot simultaneously support Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, itself kill hundreds of thousands of people throughout the Muslim world in several different wars, and then turn around and pretend to care about the human rights of Muslims in China.

This is about the US' geopolitical struggle with China over the question of whether or not China will become an equal power with the US.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by stunt on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:21PM (#23793874)
Tu quoque is valid in context of blaming Germans for WWII (past actions). Most of the arguments thrown here are about on going problems.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by Udik on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:47AM (#23791418)
And active support for other human rights abusing countries.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by bfieidhbrjr on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:14AM (#23791123)
None of these are good, but they are far short of genocide of our own citizens.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by jfengel on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:56AM (#23791494)
Honestly, when we're incarcerating almost 1% of our nation, it's not at all clear that that's "far short of genocide". Especially when that 1% disproportionately falls on some racial groups, and that impact radiates out to further decimate those communities. And while it's not outright genocide, it contributes to a very high murder rate in those communities -- some of it committed directly by the government.

If forced to draw some sort of moral hierarchy I'd say yes, it's still not quite up to the organized atrocities committed against the Uighurs. But our disorganized, systemic atrocities are vast, and every other first-world nation is horrified.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by Robotbeat on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:24AM (#23791217)
Sure, but it’s just way too easy for China to employ Whataboutism when we have concentration camps on our border. Without having the moral high ground, actions against much deeper abuses (even like genocide) ring hollow and appear like mere geopolitical maneuvering. Particularly when our POTUS actually supported the Uighur concentration camps according to folks who worked with him: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-china-detention-camp-x...