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Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by akersten on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:52PM (#23785056)
Google, Mozilla, et al. should make a commitment to revoke the trust of any CA that is found to partake in behavior like that. Even retroactive revocation of existing certificates shouldn't be off the table if the offense is egregious enough.

It's actually pretty scary seeing just how many CAs are in the list of trusted CAs on any given device. While no government is beyond reproach, I do wish there were a way for me as a user to say "don't trust anything signed by CAs outside of these few countries, since it's most likely a hijack, phishing, or in the rare case that I did try to visit some random site, I can approve it manually."

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by vbezhenar on Thursday July 09, 2020 @06:46PM (#23786146)
Browsers blacklisted Kazakhstan government certificate used for MITM which was not even trusted. It is absurd to expect anything less than blacklisting such a CA immediately. Certificate transparency is required for all certificates since April, 2018, so you can't really issue rogue certificate.
Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by razakel on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:48PM (#23787332)
Here's the Bugzilla report where they actually request their root be added to Firefox:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1232689

The answer is basically "no".

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by vbezhenar on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:01AM (#23789819)
AFAIK they used different certificate for MITM. Currently they are using certificate mentioned in that bug to issue certificates for government websites (like https://elicense.kz/ ), so actually a lot of citizens who need to use government services have to install that certificate as a root anyway.

I don't think that they would use that certificate for MITM. They're not fools and they understand that it would lead to blacklisting it which would halt a lot of operations in the country.

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by int_19h on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:32AM (#23829442)
> It is absurd to expect anything less than blacklisting such a CA immediately.

Is it, though? Germany has a lot more economic leverage than Kazakhstan. Suppose they pass a law requiring any browser sold or otherwise offered on the German market to have the government certificate in the chain of trust... how many large companies would cave?

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by StavrosK on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:53AM (#23789494)
Does the browser check?
Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by throwawayway9 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @05:39PM (#23785539)
You could, for example, use the Certificate Manager in Firefox to delete specific authorities you do not trust.