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Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by jimbob123 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:52PM (#23782945)
This is a massive yikes, if you don't like the company you work for. Go to another company. The police aren't universally bad and hysteria like this distracts from actual issues.
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by blahblahblogger on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:01PM (#23783071)
Well this type of employee activism is happening everywhere even in tech, or especially so in tech.

I work at a company in SF that's gone full ACAB ("all cops are bastards"), defund the police, you must be with us or you are not an "anti-racist", et. There's a lot of internal activist groups and what not.

I worry that investors have no idea how much time and resources are spent on this, but then I consider that activist shareholders themselves have become a movement.

The reality is that this type of thing is going to become more and more common and accepted.

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by outworlder on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:19PM (#23783310)
> The police aren't universally bad

As long as they are allowed to investigate themselves and are not require to make any reports or have independent oversight, we can't even claim that!

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by PCI-eX16 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:14PM (#23783255)
Espousing the idea that you can't love where you work while also asking them to change something, that we should not question our superiors, is a massive yikes.
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by Angostura on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:58PM (#23783028)
Presumably you would also say this to coders who work for, I don't know ... Palantir, or companies that make software primarily (but not necessarily) used by spammers?
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by speedgoose on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:02PM (#23783076)
It's not so simple for many people. We are very privileged in IT.
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by ipsum2 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:14PM (#23783243)
I think Toyota, Hyundai, Honda are happy to build cars for police if Ford doesn't want to.
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by tibbydudeza on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:16PM (#23784647)
They now use Ford Explorer SUV's since the California Highway Patrol requires a payload ability of 1700 pounds (4 officers plus gear) and it must be RWD or AWD ... possibly a Toyota Landcruiser (too $$$) or Honda Pilot (4WD ???).
Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by Spivak on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:11PM (#23783202)
If you don't like the country you live in. Go live somewhere else. The viewpoint does nothing except defend the status quo. People have more power to affect change in their company than just resigning their post and being replaced by someone who doesn't care.

Protestors who are literally being beaten senseless in the streets or say, being hit by Ford police cars being used as "crowd control" aren't hysterical. Please watch some of the protest videos -- they're absolutely fucking terrifying. I watched a 120 lb unarmed white woman get picked up and slammed to the concrete by her neck. I watched a police officer pepper spray another unarmed woman point blank in the face when she came up to him asking for help. I watched police "enforce" curfew by spraying rubber bullets on unarmed kids standing on their porches. At the protests in my city I watched police purposefully destroy tables set up by volunteers to give protesters food, water, and medical supplies -- I watched the police bulldoze an old man with a cane -- I watched a disabled man get dragged on the concrete by police after they stole his prosthetic legs.

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by lostgame on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:11PM (#23783201)
>> The police aren't universally bad

Millions of people in defund the police / abolish the police, and the entire African American community, along with many other marginalized communities; may consider that a very privileged perspective.

The police, with the broken laws and systems in place, could very well be universally bad. I think that’s an obvious point of contention at the moment and is a long standing belief that we are reconsidering.

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by dx87 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:23PM (#23783357)
> the entire African American community

Claiming that every single black person in America thinks that ever single police office in America is bad discredits whatever point you're trying to make. You must spend your entire life in a bubble if you truly believe that.

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by frandroid on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:56PM (#23783720)
It's not that black people believe every single cop is bad, it's that they MUST assume that a cop can do bad things to them. America is truly a police state for Black people. It doesn't matter if 90% of cops are good, if 10% can get away with brutalizing you and worse, all cops are suspect.

It's the old dilemma: There's 1% chance this beer can kill you: Do you want to try your chance and drink it? Of course not. But you can't not interact with the police. Just being black is enough to get bad cops' negative attention.

Re:Ford employees ask the company to stop making police cars by tibbydudeza on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:19PM (#23784685)
"Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday acknowledged a “widespread phenomenon” where communities of color are treated differently by police in the US."

Really bubble much ????.