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Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by NicolasGorden on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:00PM (#23782289)
It's disingenuous, he knows the blog posts are compiled into an ebook and says as much.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by baddox on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:20PM (#23782545)
Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by tripletao on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:34PM (#23782722)
It's just the publicity stunt, leaving the NYT with the options to (a) drop the story, (b) omit a significant detail, or (c) report that he deleted the blog because they said they were going to doxx him. The story hasn't been published yet, so it's working so far.

Short-term, this has probably net increased the visibility of Alexander's content (slightly less convenient to access, but much more attention), and I assume he expected that. The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote, so the sentence I quoted can only be knowingly dishonest innuendo. That's why I said "ugly".

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by mcguire on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:01PM (#23783063)
Indeed, the publicity stunt in question currently seems to be favoring Alexander.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by sangnoir on Thursday July 09, 2020 @06:16PM (#23785895)
> The story hasn't been published yet, so it's working so far.

How very optimistic of you. In my mind, it just changed the status of the story from "almost ready for publishing" to "Developing" - the action of taking down the blog and the words of the various parties are definitely news-worthy. The story can no longer be about one guy; the NYT will need a bigger canvas, and more time to work on it.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by baddox on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:56PM (#23782997)
> The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote

It might be a little farfetched, but no moreso than Alexander's own reasoning for deleting the blog. I think it's a little much to call the whole article "ugly" because of that.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by tripletao on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:16PM (#23783271)
What do you mean? Alexander said himself that he was doing this as a protest and publicity stunt, and he seems to have taken no actions beyond that publicity stunt to make the content less available (e.g., he hasn't (yet) requested deletion from the Internet Archive). His words and actions seem entirely consistent to me, so I'm not sure why you doubt him.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by baddox on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:33PM (#23783444)
I never said anything about consistency. I'm talking about your claim that the article is "ugly."
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by tripletao on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:09PM (#23783858)
To be clear:

1. I believe the New Yorker reporter disingenuously made a statement that he knew to be false (because deleting the blog is clearly effective as a protest and publicity stunt, and clearly ineffective in removing access to content that's been widely mirrored elsewhere already) in order to create the false impression that Alexander might be trying to hide something.

2. I consider knowing falsehoods intended to harm others to be ugly.

I thought you were disagreeing with (1), which is why I thought it's relevant that Alexander himself said his goal was that publicity, and that his actions seem consistent with his words. Are you saying that you agree with (1) but disagree with (2)?

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by baddox on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:28PM (#23784068)
I think that both the New Yorker reporter and Alexander know that deleting the blog will not meaningfully impede people from accessing it who want to access it. I think that the reporter's claim that deleting it might impede people looking for dirt in past posts and Alexander's claim that deleting it might protect his practice and his patients are both far-fetched although not completely impossible.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by tripletao on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:47PM (#23784277)
I agree that the primary benefit to Alexander from deleting his blog was in discouraging the NYT from publishing his name, and that his arguments for why it might still help even after he gets doxxed are much weaker. I'd tend to apply a more charitable standard to weak arguments for something he has the absolute right to do and that doesn't harm anyone else (what if he just didn't want to pay the hosting bill anymore?), than to innuendo questioning someone's character (by implying that this "creditable reason" might be out there) in one of the world's most-read magazines.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by coffeemaniac on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:54PM (#23785089)
Assertion 1: deleting his blog is a meaningful way of hiding his surname, by way of adding an extra step to anyone who wants to search for it.

Assertion 2: deleting his blog is NOT a meaningful way of hiding gross and reactionary discussion happening on his blog, by way of adding an extra step to anyone who wants to search for it.

These seem contradictory to me. He is absolutely trying to hide or obfuscate something, we're just debating what it is.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by WillPostForFood on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:22PM (#23782575)
It obviously does meaningfully impede access. Delisted from google, all existing links broken. Viewablity of articles will be down 99.99%.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by basch on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:56PM (#23783719)
Exactly. It's absolutely more than a stunt, despite it drawing its own kind of Barbara attention. Dedicated people will still be able to find it, but the lowest effort attackers wont put in the work to dig. It silences a chunk of outrage culture who will just move on to the next target, rather than investigate broken links.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by NicolasGorden on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:27PM (#23782631)
I never knew deleting anything automatically implied having no back ups. SSC even announced he had back ups. So... even for the assuming people out there he placed disclaimers. Yet more disingenuous statements.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by darawk on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:20PM (#23783320)
No. Read Scott's own reasoning on the situation here:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-...

In short, he's not worried about dedicated antagonists finding him. He's worried about his psychiatric patients finding his blog, and that interfering with his relationships with them. Deleting the blog makes it moderately more difficult for them to do that.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by baddox on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:31PM (#23783432)
I don't understand. Publishing his name in the NYT will surely already cause any of his patients who read that to realize it's an article about their doctor. Surely that's where the interference would come from ("whoa, my doctor has been writing about his practice on a public blog for years"), not from the patient visiting the blog. If the patient wants to find the blog, I'm sure they will be able to.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by astine on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:54PM (#23783699)
Right, that's why he's trying to stop the NYT from publishing his name. The game isn't that he thinks that by deleting the blog he'll prevent people from finding him even if he's mentioned in the NYT, it's that by deleting the blog it'll make it untenable for the NYT to publish his name. He's gamblng that the NYT will blink.

He might at some later date decide that he needs to erase his iInternet presence entirely, but I don't think that's his current game.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by nullc on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:05PM (#23782362)
If you really want to paint SSC in a negative light the optimal tool isn't the posts-- it's the comments.

Some of the posts were pretty cringe worthy but the comments were far more reliably cringe worthy.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by zozbot234 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:10PM (#23782418)
Plenty of cringe worthy comments on HN, too. I mean, usually they're greyed out but still.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by AgentME on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:26AM (#23789967)
Ethnonationalists and race realists aren't too popular here or defended by the people in charge.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by brokensegue on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:04PM (#23787077)
i think they mean comments by Scott Alexander on his own blog.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by AnthonyMouse on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:05PM (#23783811)
Wait until you hear about YouTube and Reddit.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by Tyr42 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:40PM (#23782807)
He also quotes extensively from SSC, so he clearly has an archived version of it open.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by mjw1007 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:00PM (#23784427)
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this article is taken from Metz's proposed article (if it turns out that that never gets published).