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Re:VCs Promised to Help Black Founders – My Experience Shows... by s4n1ty on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:30PM (#23775793)
Starting with the first critique in your list of citations, the Vox article - third paragraph:

> He uses primarily stereotyped misconceptions about men and women to argue that “gender gaps [do not always] imply sexism,” and declares that “discriminating just to increase the representation of women in tech” is “misguided and biased” as well as “unfair, divisive, and bad for business.”

The question of stereotyping is addressed in the memo itself:

> I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes. When addressing the gap in representation in the population, we need to look at population level differences in distributions. If we can't have an honest discussion about this,then we can never truly solve the problem.

Can you point to where in Damore's memo he relies on stereotyped misconceptions? I've read it many times and I didn't see anything fitting that characterization.

Specificity would be helpful.

Re:VCs Promised to Help Black Founders – My Experience Shows... by tptacek on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:47PM (#23775904)
No. You cannot pepper a thread with demands for people to source their arguments and then confront a wall of sources with your own ad hoc thoughts. Source your rebuttals comparably. You set the bar, now clear it yourself.
Re:VCs Promised to Help Black Founders – My Experience Shows... by s4n1ty on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @09:18PM (#23776076)
I haven't demanded anything of anyone, but for some reason you're telling me what I cannot do. Are you a moderator?

Where people have made scientific claims I've asked them for the source of their information. This is a reasonable question - not a "demand".

When someone replies to you citing another argument, it's reasonable to read that argument and to point out any flaws in it if you see them. That's what I did here. Was I not supposed to read it?

My argument doesn't rely on any citation other than Damore's memo itself, since it is the topic of discussion. I've already provided a link to that but here it is again for convenience: [1]

I followed the witch hunt against Damore very closely both at the time and since.

Without exception, every single critique I've read of Damore's memo is either a straw man, ad hominem, or a combination of both.

If you know of any counterexamples I'm happy to review them, but please pick the strongest argument rather than a long list[2]

[1] https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

[2] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

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Re:VCs Promised to Help Black Founders – My Experience Shows... by s4n1ty on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @11:07PM (#23776570)
Yeah, there is a real "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" vibe to the whole woke thing. Creeps me out.

Hope I'm not speaking too soon, but it seems like actual liberals on the left are finally waking up to this Kafkaesque ideology they've been making excuses for [1]

[1] https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/

Re:VCs Promised to Help Black Founders – My Experience Shows... by pvg on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @11:26PM (#23776669)