MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations

Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by gruez on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:53PM (#23771712)

>It’s like a sports team: you have the ability to draft the top players from around the world for cheap. Why would you decide to boycott the draft itself and let the competitors (India, China) take those players? Especially some players that you have already trained (graduated students, post docs)

You're thinking about it from the wrong perspective. The people who are anti-immigration are anti-immigration because they personally might be negatively impacted (in terms of losing jobs or getting lower wages), even if it means the country as a whole is better off. Seeing the US GDP grow 30% faster is little consolation to you when you've lost your job to immigrants (or at least, you thought that you did). Going back to the sports team analogy, it'd be great if your team drafted the best international players and won, but what if that resulted in you getting kicked off the team, or sidelined most of the season?

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by vowelless on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:58PM (#23771772)

If that’s the case, then why not have teams draft from the region they represent? For example, maybe the Patriots should not have had a foreign Michigander as their QB for 20 years, that spot could have been given to some up and coming Boston College graduate.

To address your point a bit more directly: can you show me studies where native born Americans have lost jobs to immigrants in the US? I know that many jobs got moved to China and Mexico, but that’s not what I am wondering about.

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by gruez on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:02PM (#23771811)

> If that’s the case, then why not have teams draft from the region they represent? For example, maybe the Patriots should not have had a foreign Michigander as their QB for 20 years, that spot could have been given to some up and coming Boston College graduate.

In the sports analogy, I'm describing it from the point of a player, not a fan. A fan's role in this is closer to shareholder rather than employee. They primarily care about winning (presumably). Ultimately the team is beholden to their fans, not to their players.

>To address your point a bit more directly: can you show me studies where native born Americans have lost jobs to immigrants in the US? I know that many jobs got moved to China and Mexico, but that’s not what I am wondering about.

That's not my personal position, by the way, so I'm not going to bother looking up statistics for it. I'm only describing what anti-immigration's perceptions are. It's safe to say that there's a widely held belief (among immigration opponents, at least) that immigrants "steal" jobs from natives. eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa#Criticisms_of_the_pr...

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by jimmydddd on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:37PM (#23772183)

It's not just lost jobs. It's also depressed wages.

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by sangnoir on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:42PM (#23772229)

Immigrants are overrepresented when it comes to founding companies. They are better at creating jobs compared to their non-immigrant counterparts.

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by shadowgovt on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:28PM (#23772057)

> The people who are anti-immigration are anti-immigration because they personally might be negatively impacted

That's generally untrue, though it is what people think. For one thing, the same flexibility that lets MIT pull from around the world lets a student in Boston apply around the world instead of being stuck with whatever Boston has to offer.

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by Consultant32452 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @02:07PM (#23772570)

The Universities, industry, and government colluded against the American public in order to increase profits for the 1%. There is a write-up about it here:

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-gove...

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by shadowgovt on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @02:44PM (#23772972)

That's one opinion, yes. Not a widely-held one.

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Re:MIT and Harvard file suit against new ICE regulations by Consultant32452 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @02:51PM (#23773044)

The whole Democratic/progressive platform is based on the idea that government and industry are working together to funnel money to the wealthy.

Did you care to address the paper attached to the article I linked to?

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