Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to collect on economic gains

Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by addled on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @03:10PM (#23762894)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

For US data, I like how this table compares deaths from covid, flu, and pneumonia against the total deaths for all causes each week. I especially like that they show the ratio of current deaths vs the average of the 3 years prior for the same week.

The downside is how the data is slowly updated as each state trickles in data, so the most recent 4-8 weeks look lower now than if you check back later.

Still if you look back to April, flu deaths each week were in the hundreds, while covid deaths 9-15k. Saying it is 10x or more worse, doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

What really grabbed me is that the total US deaths in April from all causes was +40% compared to prior 3 year average.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by drummer on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:21PM (#23763565)

Unfortunately covid deaths are highly unreliable as there is lots of evidence worldwide that people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid. Also lots of cases of dead people being counted while not being tested or positively tested for covid.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by erichocean on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:32PM (#23763696)

> people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid

Generic "flu" deaths are also counted the same way. Why do you think Covid deaths should be counted differently?

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by addled on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:46PM (#23763847)

That's exactly why I like the link I posted. It tries to provide context on how many people die with covid, flu, pneumonia, or some combination of the 3.

Then more importantly, it looks at the overall death rate. Because even if you completely ignore the covid count, the fact that there are so many more people dying than normal should grab people's attention.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by saalweachter on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:30PM (#23763673)

During the peak of crisis in NYC, the death rate was ~6 times normal.

If those extra deaths weren't from COVID-19, what were they from?

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by hyanaroo on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:44PM (#23765038)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by hyanaroo on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:44PM (#23765034)

see this too ,the debunk of the nurse in the previous youtube link ;)

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by hyanaroo on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:55PM (#23765148)

also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by drummer on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:39PM (#23763776)

You won't like the answer: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by berdario on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @08:36PM (#23765847)

For people that prefer not to waste time on that, like I did... It's a covid19 conspiracy from antivaxxers

The first debunking of it I found:

https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by hyanaroo on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:05AM (#23767041)

lol..i dont know how i missed your comment,,i wasted my time on those idiots hehe

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by hyanaroo on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:10PM (#23765276)

looks like that nurse has a fb page of anti vaxx and lots of beaseless claims,wasted my time dammit :(

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by watwut on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:31PM (#23763686)

How do you think flu deaths are counted? Because that numbers shows also estimated death people - people who were never even tested on flu. Like, percentage of pneumonia deaths. And they contain also people also having other health issues and not just flu.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by makomk on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @05:11PM (#23764125)

Flu deaths are counted as the number of people who die because of the flu - that is, they represent people who wouldn't have died if they didn't catch the flu. This is of course an estimate, and there are some pretty fundamental reasons why it has to be such as the fact that flu causes heart attacks and strokes but also just happens to be present in patients who have one for unrelated reasons, but it should be a pretty robust one because flu is an old and well researched disease and we have a vey good idea of how it behaves at a population level.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:08PM (#23764678)

The CDC includes pneumonia deaths during flu season because not all death certificates record influenza as the cause.

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by vonmoltke on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:25PM (#23763597)

FYI, you double-pasted the link. The correct one is https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by addled on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @04:38PM (#23763771)

Ah, sorry. Fixed above now as well. Thanks!

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