Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by TerminalSystem3 on Sunday July 05, 2020 @09:28PM
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I think your argument is legitimate, but I do think there's a distinction between naturally letting words fall out of favor and forcing it. Words naturally fall out of favor when people simply stop using them - this is a process as old as language itself. This is separate from a group of people unilaterally changing commonly accepted terminology and getting upset and censoring when people don't go along with it.
The former, nobody thinks about - see words like "tubular", "rad", "phat", etc. The latter is rather Orwellian, as it's about enforcing a behavioral change on people. People (at least the ones I know) generally hate this, especially in the West.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by tasssko on Sunday July 05, 2020 @05:56PM
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When I think black and white I think night and day and not evil and good.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by catalogia on Sunday July 05, 2020 @08:40PM
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It's an unfortunate quirk of human brains that fear of the dark is a familiar experience to most children and many adults. I suppose it has something to do with nocturnal tigers hunting our ancestors. Association between nighttime and fear seems biologically unavoidable.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by tasssko on Monday July 06, 2020 @03:11PM
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Agree completely, I remember the books by brothers grimm as a young child. Trolls and goblins and all manner of imaginative creatures used to keep me up at night.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by dariusj18 on Monday July 06, 2020 @08:20PM
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I think the real solutions is to stop using the terms black and white to describe people. Especially since it is so inaccurate.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by scoutt on Monday July 06, 2020 @04:50AM
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I wonder what would happen with terms like "grey area". Like in:
A: Is this thing bad or good, legal or illegal?
B: I think it's a grey area.
Re:Infosec community disagrees with changing 'black hat' term
by thewindow on Sunday July 05, 2020 @06:22PM
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This is quiet common in India also. Black is considered bad, evil and ugly and it spills over into the language. I agree, we need more concrete actions than just thanking things, but they are not mutually exclusive.
> “Others pointed to the dualism between black and white as representing evil and good, concepts that have been around since the dawn of civilizations, long before racial divides even existed between humans.”
The supporters of the current terminology use this to bolster their argument, but I believe it’s also at the core of the argument against the use of terms like blacklist/whitelist. The idea is that the black vs. white = evil vs. good (like, MTG card colors) can “spill over” into dark skin vs. light skin = evil vs. good. This is an interesting article related to this effect: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-bad-is-black-...
Ok fine, I’ll take a weakly-held stance: this seems like a bit of a stretch, and distracts from the more serious ways in which systemic racism manifests itself. On the other hand, I see no need to become outraged—words fall out of favor all the time (go play with the Google n-grams viewer to see for yourself).