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Re:The Fourth of July by acdha on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:51PM (#23736273)
You’re upset that he focused on the ones who were oppressed rather than the ones who were oppressing? Many Black people have white ancestors but ask how much of that was really consensual and how those children were treated.
Re:The Fourth of July by AnthonyMouse on Sunday July 05, 2020 @01:30AM (#23736811)
> Many Black people have white ancestors but ask how much of that was really consensual

Doesn't this imply a problem with the whole "sins of the father" thing? Otherwise all of those people would have to be condemned as the offspring of a rapist.

Re:The Fourth of July by acdha on Sunday July 05, 2020 @09:09AM (#23738401)
Those are separate concepts: we should not condemn children for their parent’s crimes but that doesn’t mean that we should forget that those crimes happened.

In this case it’s especially important because those children were treated very differently from their siblings: a slave owner’s fully white children had full status in society and lived in relative luxury but those borne by slaves inherited their mother’s status. Apologists try to claim that some relationships were consensual but it’s hard to reconcile that with the treatment of any resulting children.

Re:The Fourth of July by AnthonyMouse on Sunday July 05, 2020 @04:26PM (#23741634)
> we should not condemn children for their parent’s crimes but that doesn’t mean that we should forget that those crimes happened.

But then what do you propose to do about it? All of those people are dead. We can't bring them back to life and punish them.

> In this case it’s especially important because those children were treated very differently from their siblings

It was no doubt a very important distinction to the children. I wouldn't want to have to argue it was a very important distinction to modern day descendants seven generations later when that ancestor represents less than 1% of their ancestors from that many generations ago.

And the usual argument is to want to assign guilt if you benefited from a bad thing one of your ancestors did. But having existence is a pretty huge benefit, which makes that argument taste quite sour.

Re:The Fourth of July by acdha on Sunday July 05, 2020 @04:48PM (#23741827)
It’s not always 7 generations ago - there was a guy living here until a couple years back whose father was born in slavery - and it didn’t end instantly with the Civil War, or the demise of Jim Crow, or the Civil Rights movement — things like redlining ran into the 1970s and police violence and job discrimination never really stopped. White people can say it ended in the civil war era but there are plenty of people who know they still have to spend time thinking about risks their white peers do not.
Re:The Fourth of July by dorado3 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:47PM (#23736461)
He's so oppressed he has like 100x more money than the average white person, while contributing nothing to society. Maybe some whites living in trailer parks should pay him reparations for all his suffering, while he collects checks from Nike.
Re:The Fourth of July by throwvid19 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:05PM (#23736307)
Are you suggesting that Colin Kaepernick's mother was raped?
Re:The Fourth of July by projectileboy on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:12PM (#23736335)
No, but previous ancestors. Rape of the enslaved was very common. The difference in skin tone between Africans and the majority of African-Americans is not because of something in the water.