Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by GhostVII on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:48AM
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Electricity has a transmission problem though - there are some parts of the world with lots of clean energy, which we can't fully take advantage of because we can't transport electricity that far. Hydrogen allows us to use that clean energy to power cars in other parts of the world, since you can produce hydrogen in those places and then ship it to places without much clean energy. Also you can presumably stop and start hydrogen production as electricity demand changes (ex. Only produce it on sunny windy days where there is excess electricity) allowing you to shift the demand curve more easily than with electric cars.
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Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by mrpopo on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:27AM
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Do you know more about hydrogen transport? I heard it is quite more complicated and expensive than LNG (closest equivalent), because hydrogen leaks more easily.
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by dehrmann on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:06PM
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I don't buy that hydrogen transport could ever be more efficient than shipping high-voltage electrons over copper.
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by VBprogrammer on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:53PM
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One interesting approach is to convert the hydrogen again into ammonia (nh4). It's easier to store and is a very useful industrial feedstock in its own right.
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by jimmcslim on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:13PM
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There's also the issue of hydrogen embrittlement of steel, which is probably what causes the leaks I guess?
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by hansvm on Sunday July 05, 2020 @12:42PM
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Hydrogen is also really small and can seep out of seals that we would ordinarily consider air-tight.
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by kwhitefoot on Sunday July 05, 2020 @05:42AM
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> we can't transport electricity that far.
How far is that far?
HVDC only loses ten percent per 3000 km. That is it loses about ten percent transmitting almost from one end of Europe to the other.
Just connect all the national grids together properly, especially in the east-west direction so that areas with sunlight can supply areas that are dark. Also add north-south interconnects to North Africa so that hot dry areas can supply cold wet ones.
Re:After many false starts, hydrogen power might now bear fruit
by Gibbon1 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:35PM
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I skimmed this
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/harting1/
Appearances is that losses in transmission lines are a few percent per 1000km. Across the US is about 4000km so you'd lose a little under 20%.