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Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by vmception on Friday July 03, 2020 @10:45PM (#23729614)
Those articles are more interesting than OP's article.

When I research a lot of wealthy families I frequently find their level of comfort not possible to replicate because it is something considered impropriety today. Taking advantage of an imbalance in the socioeconomic order that was promptly fixed as soon as anybody noticed.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by arvinsim on Saturday July 04, 2020 @04:05AM (#23730894)
I believe that they exist today.

They leverage their power and connections to remain anonymous and away from public scrutiny.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by quickthrowman on Saturday July 04, 2020 @08:33AM (#23731817)
The Cargill/McMillan family is probably the most famous of these in the US. They’ve kept their company private and have managed to stay under the radar fairly well considering their level of wealth.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by travmatt on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:34PM (#23733688)
The Sacklers were able to keep their business relatively disconnected from polite society for a long time as well.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by throw0101a on Sunday July 05, 2020 @10:36AM (#23738983)
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by ororo9 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:41PM (#23733729)
They definitely do, and LEO knows. The schemes and cons, deflection... they’ve not changed.

Think about, this is only 3-4 generations back. What neuroscience is revealing about shared/inherited brain structures and limbic->cortex system algorithms, the habits of agency haven’t had that long to fade out, especially as we clung to tribal communities and abusive nuclear family silos.

But those families control LEO, so their mandate is to fight DVD player theft and smoking pot.

They again demonize our individual minor failings to control the greater human narrative, gift trillions to their buds while we fight over TP, face masks, and flat or skeuomorphic UI day to day. Doing the real important social work!

Western culture hasn’t really evolved it’s emotional organization habits all that much until recent times, say the last 20 years.

Now that the first generations raised primarily on science and a much less overt, yet still present, racism are coming into power, we’ll see.

Until the last generation though, most people in power were raised in “story mode”. “Be a godheaded manipulator, manage the masses effort and agency, for of course they’re idiots for not having your job of rich guy! If I can do it anyone can! Why they aren’t is their free will!”

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by 082349872349872 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:07AM (#23730486)
India is supposed to be an example. Families with extensive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagir holdings under the Mughals were apparently relatively easily convinced that their possibly de facto but definitely not de jure hereditary estates would be better protected under John Company, whose officers had grown up assuming de jure hereditary estate transmission.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:37AM (#23730381)
> not possible to replicate because it is something considered impropriety today

At first glance, but then we're forced to recall the entire Epstein shenanigans.

And that's only bits of insight in to that level of indulgent debauchery.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by fuzzfactor on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:11AM (#23731997)
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by mettamage on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:48AM (#23732147)
I read the premise of that book and it doesn't square with what I know about rich people from personal experiences with them.

What I've learned is that money is a multiplier for personality and if you have a humble personality, then you'll stay humble while you're rich (with some caveats about people that are not truly humble).

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by fuzzfactor on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:01AM (#23732216)
I agree with you completely on the humility, that's the only ones I would best be involved with, but these are not the ones who make it into this kind of book.

The emphasis is on the extreme, privileged and over-the-top attitudes stereotypically encountered.

Fortunately, exclusive communities with these stereotypical aspirations are not as overwhelming as they could be.

It's a small book, largely true quotations, and I think worth reading as an entertaining way to refresh awareness of peculiarities that can arise as riches are struck or wealth is created or increased.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by ipsum2 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:05AM (#23730022)
Could you give an example of that level of comfort? Servants were more common back then, but not sure what else.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by vmception on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:08AM (#23730279)
For example, the family that was able to exploit the socioeconomic order to pick up those land plots from people indicted for witchcraft probably still owns those land plots, but new people will not be able to use the same tactic to obtain land now.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by pjc50 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:02AM (#23730661)
This is more or less how the Israeli "settlements" work; land is taken for "security" reasons and given to someone else.

The Russian privatization post Communism also handed a large amount of state resources to the well connected, who are now in many ways more entrenched than they were under Communism.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by bsanr2 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @08:51AM (#23731906)
Something something Manifest Destiny. Also, the Great Land Robbery (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/09/this-la...). The Western model of land ownership is perhaps necessary for our way of life, but is certainly at the root of any number of atrocities.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by sudosysgen on Saturday July 04, 2020 @04:57AM (#23731083)
Much more. Even under the CPSU public opinion could change and you could be ousted. If you're an oligarch unless you die what you control, you control.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by achillesheels on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:41AM (#23732523)
Except that the Israeli “settlements” are on previously annexed land from 1967. It is more like an eminent domain seizure. And it is quite reasonable in theory to exercise sovereign power for such purposes to improve the land’s cultivation, so long as compensation is awarded (not sure if Israel gives it to the Palestinians)
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by adrianN on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:58AM (#23732669)
I was under the impression that it's illegal to settle on occupied land and what Israel is doing is hence illegal under international law. Am I somehow misinformed?
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by achillesheels on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:13PM (#23733567)
Are laws of men corruptible? Do you appeal to international law as the highest? Or do you submit to a higher perception?

I ask because your entire judgment is not based on anything consistent with civilization’s record with property claims and is really a 20th century phenomenon.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by adrianN on Sunday July 05, 2020 @12:35AM (#23736614)
The matter is too complex for me to have a good judgement, I was just confused because your comment didn't seem consistent with what I thought I knew.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by SenHeng on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:34AM (#23732952)
It is illegal but no one can/will enforce the law,
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by pjc50 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:21PM (#23733613)
Of course there isn't any compensation. The owners are simply run off at gunpoint.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by achillesheels on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:24PM (#23733629)
Source
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by eirini1 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:14AM (#23730507)
maybe not witchcraft accusations per se, but im quite unsure how you can be aware of events occuring in the world right now and think that exploiting the current socioeconomic order to gain land and wealth is not done.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by zentropia on Saturday July 04, 2020 @05:59AM (#23731305)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Mashal_Khan

A student accuses the University staff of corruption and end killed by a mob for blasphemy.

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by vmception on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:59AM (#23730656)
Right it wouldn’t be a witch craft accusation , in the west

Its one example

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by justinclift on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:57AM (#23732655)
Seems more a case of "use whatever the hot topic is for circumventing rational thought".

Recent version could be something like this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firin...

Or any of the other modern topics people have mentioned. It'd need to be combined with having the ability and intent to acquire the property of the targeted people.

In the above example, being the people don't seem to really own much/any property anyway, maybe it's harder than it first looks?

Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by viraptor on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:06AM (#23732259)
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by Fjolsvith on Saturday July 04, 2020 @07:44AM (#23731660)
Pedophilia.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by Thorrez on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:38AM (#23730588)
That sounds more like a technique to attain comfort rather than a comfort level itself.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by vmception on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:00AM (#23730658)
I’m glad you understood
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by Thorrez on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:25PM (#23735341)
I'm not sure I did. ipsum2 seemed to be asking for a comfort level.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by wodenokoto on Saturday July 04, 2020 @07:42AM (#23731654)
That’s not a level of comfort that’s a level of corruption.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by Mary-Jane on Saturday July 04, 2020 @10:30AM (#23732428)
Eminent Domain.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by danans on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:13AM (#23730059)
Most likely that you had enough wealth and owned enough productive land or other capital to secure the lifestyle of your progeny for generations to come.
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by hatenberg on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:46AM (#23730180)
So like Fred Trump
Re:Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities w... by danans on Saturday July 04, 2020 @04:26PM (#23734699)
Probably, but he's far from alone. It's practically the definition of what the nobility and the gentry/bourgeoisie have in common.

In contrast, workers and professionals must sell their personal skills in the labor market to survive. Unless they are extremely lucky, opportunistic, and hardworking and doing so become part of the gentry, their children will have to do the same.