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Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by riffraff on Thursday July 02, 2020 @06:19PM (#23718770)
but things can change to make the OK sign tabu too, can't they?

We are saying that if you use a potentially racist sign (hand OK) in real life it's not a big deal, since you're not using it in conjunction with other racist stuff.

At the same time you cannot use another potentially racist sign (the confederate flag), even if you were just trying to make a videogame version of "The Dukes of Hazzard" and are not trying to associate it with white supremacists.

I mean, I assume the confederare flag was not too problematic at some point, but now it is, so likely the OK sign will become problematic too.

Think of the "pepe" meme, which is now an alt-right thing and can't be used anymore in a neutral way!

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by pyuser583 on Thursday July 02, 2020 @11:54PM (#23720876)
So all racists have to do is adopt something as a “inside” symbol, then publicly advertise its “real” meaning, and everyone rushes to avoid it no matter how common it is.

I could see white supremecists doing this for fun.

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by riffraff on Friday July 03, 2020 @02:09AM (#23721449)
yeah, it seems we've ended up giving too much power to hate groups instead of reclaiming their symbols.
Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by pyuser583 on Friday July 03, 2020 @08:36PM (#23728960)
Have we really got to the point where we talk about “reclaiming” the Ok symbol from white supremcists!?
Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by jml7c5 on Friday July 03, 2020 @01:26PM (#23725780)
Amusingly, given the starting point for this discussion, what you've described part of how the "OK" sign became associated with racism. In 2017, someone on 4chan's /pol/ board suggested "Operation O-KKK": flood Twitter etc with warnings about the supposedly racist meaning of the "OK" gesture. The initial target of the hoax was the regular "are you all right?" sign, but the inverted "circle game" version came under fire as well. Later, after the hoax had run its course, those who are wont to "own the libs" used it ironically as a joke. Time passes, only the most dedicated continue to use it, and its meaning becomes less a farce and more a serious signal.

(There is a similar, earlier sign used by a milita group called the "Three Percenters", but that was not the source of the spread. They are an extreme libertarian group, not a white supremacy one. Though one can imagine some overlap. Their hand sign became so closely associated with white supremacy partially because of the 4chan hoax.)

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by reificator on Thursday July 02, 2020 @08:22PM (#23719640)
> Think of the "pepe" meme, which is now an alt-right thing and can't be used anymore in a neutral way!

MonkaS dude.

Pepe is fine, even the group that classified it as a hate symbol weren't referring to general usage.

One group of people I watch on Twitch use it all the time in the way it's meant to be used. As a very expressive cartoon frog that can convey emotions extremely succinctly.

And before you assume they're all closet neo-nazis: this group includes members who stopped streaming for about a month after Trump was elected, who frequently talk about eating the rich, and most recently they just ran a charity drive across multiple channels to raise money for BLM.

Context is key here. Lookup racist pepe images, and compare them to a picture of a sad/happy/etc cartoon frog. You won't have much difficulty telling the difference.