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Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by koheripbal on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:39PM (#23703444)
No - because these are RICH Asian migrants, not POOR North African and Syrian migrants.

It's a combination of differential racism and elitism.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by tomp on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:57PM (#23703705)
> "differential racism"

So basically the existing word "racism" didn't fit (because racist Brits would hate Asian HKers just as much as brown Syrians and black Africans) so you invented a new completely concept but conveniently attached the word "racism" to it for maximal emotional impact?

Despicable.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by dragonwriter on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:51PM (#23704332)
Racism works fine for what is described, there is nothing about racism which requires it to be “my race good, all other races equally bad”. “Differential racism” is a perfectly good way of distinguishing a multitiered racial heirarchy from a binary one.

Though I think nationalism may be at least as much of a factor as race-based differentiation. (That is, that nationalism in the context of colonial history is why HKers are treated more favorably by opinion than other non-white, or even white, immigrants.)

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by philwelch on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:00PM (#23704456)
“Racism” is not a very good term for privileging non-white immigrants from former colonies over white European immigrants.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by dragonwriter on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:07PM (#23704541)
Racism is a perfectly fine term for weighting East Asian race less negatively than other non-white races in a function with multiple other factors besides race, resulting in certain East Asian immigrants being favored over white European immigrants.

Though, as explained already in GP, I think nationalism is the more relevant factor here, whether or not racism (binary or differential) is also involved (which at some level it obviously is.)

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by Veen on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:24PM (#23704728)
The UK is not weighting Asians higher than other non-white races. It’s favouring people from the Commonwealth and others to whom we have historical commitments above countries where no such ties exist.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by dragonwriter on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:30PM (#23704785)
> The UK is not weighting Asians higher than other non-white races.

I didn't say it was. I said that the upthread commenter’s use of “differential racism” to describe their explanation in which Britain was doing that was, contrary to the claim that it was redefining “racism”, a perfectly valid use of the term “racism”.

I've also said in every post in which I've argued that point that I think that what is actually happening involves nationalism in light of the HKs colonial history, not, or at least more decisively than, racism, differential or otherwise.

There two different issues here, one about whether a hypothetical scenario is within the usual definition of “racism” and one about whether than hypothetical is the best explanation of what is factually occurring.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by Veen on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:44PM (#23704953)
The explanation is the obvious one. The UK has a treaty with China intended to prevent what is happening from happening. China is in breach of the treaty and, in light of that, the UK is acting to protect people to whom it believes it has an obligation. It has nothing to do with either racism or nationalism.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by koheripbal on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:11PM (#23705959)
No one is arguing that point. What is being debated is why very conservative racists in the UK culture are overwhelmingly supportive of Asians over Syrians and North Africans. ...and differential racism is my belief as to why.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by Veen on Thursday July 02, 2020 @03:14AM (#23710747)
You are using “very conservative racists” and “differential racism” to explain something which is better explained by historical relationships and obligations. No such relationships or obligations exist with Syria or most of North Africa.

No country can invite everyone to immigrate. They have to be selective, and that doesn’t make them racist. No one has the right to immigrate to another country: it’s a privilege granted by the government and people of that country who make decisions about who to accept according to their own interests and perceived obligations - again, not racism.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by philwelch on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @06:23PM (#23707500)
So you’re starting from the presupposition that British conservatives are racist and then trying to explain away evidence contrary to that presupposition.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by FabHK on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:09PM (#23703859)
Eh? Racism judges people by their race, and judges different races differently. The word fits just fine. Adding "differential" was unnecessary, but maybe added to highlight the uneven extent of the negative judgement.

Having said that, the GP does not provide any evidence that racism was the motivating factor here.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by koheripbal on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:28PM (#23706182)
> but maybe added to highlight the uneven extent of the negative judgement.

That was exactly the point.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by notahacker on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:08PM (#23703855)
> because racist Brits would hate Asian HKers just as much as brown Syrians and black Africans

Even a racist as extreme and obsessed with whiteness specifically as Hitler deemed some nonwhite races worthy of respect, even as he plotted others' extermination. Clearly it is absurd to define 'racist' so narrowly that even the actual Nazis don't qualify

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by mellosouls on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:42PM (#23703480)
It's a combination of differential racism and elitism.

Is it possibly more representative of your own prejudices that you see only negative motivation here?

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by koheripbal on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:13PM (#23705994)
This is the "he who smelt it, dealt it" form of logical argument.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by mellosouls on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @05:24PM (#23706894)
Considering you are ascribing the worst possible motives to millions of people in a gross generalisation - it's a fair question to ask.