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Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by joshuamorton on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:50PM (#23697574)
A major aspect of crypto research today is crypto UX and making crypto systems that are difficult to misuse. There are academics who actively work on these issues. They aren't the only academics obviously, but they exist.

Building ML systems that are difficult to misuse is underexplored, and Timnit is one of the relatively few researchers actively doing work in this area.

Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by jcims on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:10AM (#23697666)
>A major aspect of crypto research today is crypto UX and making crypto systems that are difficult to misuse.

I'm intrigued by this. Any names (projects/people/protocols) come to mind?

Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:56AM (#23698207)
Tink (https://github.com/google/tink) and Age (https://github.com/FiloSottile/age) are the obvious examples, although I think to some extent even things like the Signal Protocol apply.

I'd call them both examples of applied cryptography research. I think these projects compare very, very closely to applied ML research:

They come out of industry research labs, are worked on by respected experts, usually involving some academics, ultimately you end up with an artifact beyond just a paper that is useful for something and improves upon the status quo.

I'm admittedly not a total expert, so I don't know how far down to the level of crypto "primitives" this kind of work goes, but I believe there is some effort to pick primitives that are difficult to "mess up" (think "bad primes") and I know tink actively prevents you from making bad choices in the cases where you are forced to make a choice.

Even more broadly, just consider any tptacek (who I should clarify is *not a researcher, lest he correct me) post on pgp/gpg email, or people like Matt Green (http://mattsmith.de/pdfs/DevelopersAreNotTheEnemy.pdf).

Edit: Some poking around also brought up this person: https://yaseminacar.de/, who has some interesting papers on similar subjects.

Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by spoopyskelly on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @10:31AM (#23701741)
> misuse

That doesn't mean what you think it means.

Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:20PM (#23705331)
Misuse has two meaning: to use for a bad purpose (criminals using it to do bad things) or use it incorrectly (hold it wrong). I was using misuse in the "hold it wrong" sense, but I agree that there's ambiguity there.
Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by jcims on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @06:53AM (#23700081)
Thanks so much for all of this info, looks like a few really cool projects!!!