Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI bias

Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by whymauri on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:25PM (#23697070)

My experience in ML and computer science is that it cannot be assumed. Consider companies like Palantir and their Gotham system. Consider the facial recognition systems deployed in Detroit, which fail 96% of thee time. It especially cannot be assumed when you attempt to offload that responsibility to other people.

Computer science programs around the country promise their young, bright-eyed undergrads that they'll change the world. Very few of them teach them the ethics they'll need to do that in a thoughtful way.

The assumption that science and technology is inherently ethical has unfortunately led to dangerous ideas over the past 150 years. Some, like geographic determinism and eugenics, have directly led to the suffering of millions of people. I hope we tread carefully and take action when we see harmful models. [0]

[0] https://twitter.com/SpringerNature/status/127547736519656652...

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Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by webmaven on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#23701674)

> The assumption that science and technology is inherently ethical has unfortunately led to dangerous ideas over the past 150 years.

I think that the underlying assumption is that science and technology are inherently neutral (which isn't true) and that neutrality would be inherently ethical (which also isn't true).

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Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by whymauri on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:52PM (#23703637)

Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head better than I did.

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Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by free_rms on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:32PM (#23697122)

If you're saying CS people need to read more humanities, I'm absolutely with you.

But I didn't say that science and technology are inherently ethical. I said that most people care about ethics. They might have different priorities or philosophy than you, but almost nobody commenting on a social issue is doing so because they want the immoral thing to happen. Right? So asking everyone to say "of course I care, of course" before everything they say is laborious.

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Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI... by guerrilla on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:05PM (#23697334)

I don't think immoral is the problem but rather amoral. In this case, that ethics was an afterthought.

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