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Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Monday June 29, 2020 @05:49PM (#23683617)
>In reality, it looks like treatment is going to be around $3000, which, if it improves my chances of survival by a few percent, is actually a sensible price.

But will you pay $3000 for each and every thing that improves your chance of survival by a few percent?

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by GuB-42 on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:08PM (#23683866)
Definitely not when put that way, but it is actually not that far fetched. For example, spending $3000 more for a safer car is not uncommon. Insurance premiums, cost of installing guard rails on your balcony or securing your electrical installation, buying protective equipment, etc... Plus what you pay so that the government can make roads safer, to have water that is safe to drink and food that is safe to eat, etc... That's a lot of $3000 in the end.
Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:03PM (#23684468)
If an American household is already paying for all that safety, then reducing risk presumably means additional $3000 "chunks of safety". And if there are double digits of possible risks, then it's prohibitive.
Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by nickff on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:09PM (#23683894)
How much does a seatbelt improve your chances of survival on the average car trip (not just the ones with accidents)? What about airbags?
Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by Dylan16807 on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:57PM (#23684424)
A seat belt looks like it's worth a few micromorts per thousand miles, and they cost less than $50 per seat. A great bargain. Airbags give you diminishing returns on top of that, while costing almost 4x as much, but even if you estimate 1/10th the effectiveness of the seatbelt you're still looking at dozens of micromorts over the lifetime of a vehicle: worth it.

But $3000 for a percentage chance of a percentage chance is a lot tougher to argue for repeatedly.

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:26PM (#23684657)
If a micromort is really worth $50, then by my calculation, not riding a motorcycle is worth $40,000 per year.[1] Every year. The long term risk free interest rate at the moment is 1.39%, so the standard formula for a perpetuity says $40,000 indefinitely is worth about $2.8 million.

Therefore, someone out there should be willing to pay me to take one of these (I'd settle for $2.5M): https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/bikes/panigale/superleggera-v4

[1] 6 million riders, 5000 deaths per year

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by Dylan16807 on Monday June 29, 2020 @09:02PM (#23685398)
The logical conclusion is that you should pay yourself to get rid of the motorcycle. I'm not sure how anyone else gets involved. Especially when your donated organs can save other people.

You could get the government to pay a lot of money to make motorcycles unnecessary, but they already are.

Also $50 sounds high to me. Most standards are closer to $5-10.

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Monday June 29, 2020 @10:24PM (#23685858)
>The logical conclusion is that you should pay yourself to get rid of the motorcycle

If I had a motorcycle, giving it up would be the payment. Hence, I could pass the value on to someone else who assisted me, in theory.

If I "paid myself" I guess that would mean I could choose something else risky to do with my "balance" of micromorts.

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:26AM (#23686555)
That, and your previous post as far as I understand, only makes sense if someone that owns a motorcycle is stuck using it, unable to put it away or destroy it.

A world where motorcycles act like curses is an interesting concept for a short story, but not very relevant to a discussion of micromorts.

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:21PM (#23697050)
Well, if the cost of riding a motorcycle is millions of dollars, then it must be that they act like curses in the real world; otherwise you can't explain people doing it.
Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:20AM (#23698715)
* People don't act rationally about small risks, and greatly exaggerate or diminish them based on fear.

* Not everyone is going to put the same value on their own life.

* Some people will find major restrictions worse than a very small risk of death.

There's three perfectly good explanations.

Also if you use $5 per micromort, a pretty standard number, you get a motorcycle-riding cost of about eleven dollars a day. Plenty of people would pay that on purpose.

Also using perpetuity math is really wrong unless you plan to live hundreds of years.

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by Marsymars on Monday June 29, 2020 @08:57PM (#23685367)
Riding motorcycles is real dangerous. (And in large part, the risk isn't controllable by the rider.) I take part in snowboarding, climbing, and mountaineering activities that are statistically fairly high-risk, but I'd never take up motorcycling.
Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by taneq on Monday June 29, 2020 @10:43PM (#23685950)
Of course if you stop riding then you become dead inside so that costs quite a few millimorts.

Also if you ride a supersports like the one you linked, you certainly won't be getting that $40k in perpetuity... :P

Re:How remdesivir works, and why it's not the ultimate coron... by perl4ever on Monday June 29, 2020 @11:21PM (#23686187)
Ah, but the idea was I'd get a lump sum...