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Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by zosima on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:54PM (#23670125)
So all of these groups choose to live in separate neighborhoods, because they all are racist to each other?

Not because they want to be around people that are similar to themselves?

And the fact that the same pattern shows up basically everywhere. In Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and to some extent South America, does not change your perception?

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by komali2 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:13PM (#23670298)
> So all of these groups choose to live in separate neighborhoods, because they all are racist to each other?

No, because the empowered class artificially created ghettos, and either forced racial separation directly or indirectly by removing access to societal resources, forcing communities to form to compensate. Of course Cuban refugees will form Spanish speaking communities in a hostile Florida - everything is in English (which they're still learning), many local whites don't want them there and sometimes make that very apparent, and the community is already filled with people with the same background that "made it work," so can offer useful advice and resources.

This doesn't change anything about diversity bringing power, when one can overcome societal biases and racism.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by zosima on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:43PM (#23671888)
Pray, tell. Why would these repressed Cubans not live together with hispanics, in hispanic ghettos. Speaking the same language and all.

After all, that would make them a stronger force, and definitely give them more diversity.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by komali2 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:05PM (#23672043)
They... Do...? That's why an empowerment movement might focus on Latinx in general, and as you go more local you might find some of the same people at the state Latinx rally as you do at a city's Cuban American resource exchange group or whatever.

The point is that self-sorting doesn't by definition mean that humans are inherently racist or that it's natural/ethical to oppress minority populations, which I take as one of the many bad taste implications from this thread.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by zosima on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:45PM (#23672325)
I don't see anybody except you conflate natural and ethical.

So the cubans now live side by side with mexicans? And both they and mexicans/south americans self-identify as hispanics/latinx and not cubans, mexicans or something else?

And having a Cuban American cultural exchange is just an oddity of history? And is now more the latinx american cultural exchange?

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by komali2 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @07:05PM (#23672752)
The thread is being lost - what exactly is the point you're trying to make?
Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by zosima on Monday June 29, 2020 @05:06AM (#23675779)
That self-selection for living and organizing with kindred is something that also happens in the absence of extreme power disparity.
Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by komali2 on Monday June 29, 2020 @11:24AM (#23678439)
You've failed to provide evidence. All the examples we're discussing involve extreme power disparity.

That also doesn't necessarily mean that diversity = bad. It's easier to stay at home and watch Netflix than it is to travel to a foreign country and experience their culture, yet every time I do the latter, no matter how uncomfortable the trip can make me at times, I always come back grateful I did the trip, and imo a far better person.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by watwut on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:00PM (#23670177)
Is there something about European or Asian or American history that would make it reasonable to assume that racism was not factor shaping societies?

Europe had pogroms before it had WWII. United States were racially legally segregated long after WWII. The Asian history does not lack racism either.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by zosima on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:41PM (#23671870)
Why did you not mention African history?

In this respect, it's certainly not less "racist" than any other continent's history.

If you by racism means tribal or national sentiment to live together with others from the same tribe or nation. Then yes, what you call "racism" shaped it everywhere. I would hesitate to call it racism however, as it seems to be a universal human trait.

Re:Viewpoint: 'I feel like I was accidentally hired' by watwut on Monday June 29, 2020 @01:28AM (#23674625)
No, by racism I meant specifically racial issues, not just etnical ones and not just national ones.

In United States, it would be cleansing of land from natives and rhetoric around it. It would be rhetoric of slavery and later Jim crow and so on. In Europe it would be very eacial ideology of Nazi and previously pogroms and relationships against Jews. In Africa, I am pretty sure colonial history applies. In Asia, check out Rwanda for genocide or Japan for general racism.

I missed Africa, because I never really read much about any part of their history, unlike Europe, United States and Rwanda. Not sure why that would be issue.