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Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cmrdporcupine on Sunday June 28, 2020 @07:41AM (#23668142)
Every winter, looking at our chickens roosting in their unheated coop at -15C, I marvel at the ability of the descendant of a bird from the tropics to survive in a Canadian winter.

But then I remember that my species comes from eastern Africa...

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by markdown on Sunday June 28, 2020 @08:18AM (#23668248)
I imagine that chickens had to adapt to the cold much much much faster than humans had to.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by throwaway_pdp09 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:02AM (#23668441)
I live in the UK and I am amazed that date palms do well here, in a country with much higher rainfall and it does get colder than the middle east. Also agaves seem quite happy (what tequila is made out of.

What's actually more surprising than cold tolerance is that water tolerance; desert-y plants tend to be adapted to be needing periods where their roots are dry for long periods. Let them stand with wet feet and many desert plants get very upset.

I guess the middle east was wetter even in roman times, so perhaps that answers part of that.

To flip the chicken question around a bit, it's perhaps odd that chickens can cope not with the cold but with their native heat so well, what with wearing a full-body, heavy down jacket all the time in their native tropical jungle.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by smichel17 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:44AM (#23668640)
My understanding is that they lose a lot of water through their skin. Not a deep enough understanding to know whether saying "chickens sweat a lot" is accurate, but I imagine in either case the evaporation helps them keep cool.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by pvaldes on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:20PM (#23670861)
Bird feathers can trap air inside and can be raised all together in a second making it work like a sponge. A better analogy could be wearing a flask
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by JoeAltmaier on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:06AM (#23668463)
Chickens molt! They rid themselves of the feathers and down periodically.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by throwaway_pdp09 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:18AM (#23668509)
And then they grow them back again I presume. In the middle of a jungle forest. It seems odd.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cmrdporcupine on Sunday June 28, 2020 @08:29AM (#23668286)
Yes, and I get the advantage of clothes :-)

They don't even seem that bothered by it. If you put a heater in the coop they don't make a point of perching near it, for example. They hate the snow like it's lava though.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by koheripbal on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:20PM (#23670353)
That depends which humans. We are not one monolithic gene pool. Human diversity means that more recent migrations of humans had less time to adjust to their new climates.

If you compare, say Inuit, Nordic, and native Siberian populations, to subsequent equatorial populations to higher latitudes, if you could find instances of low interbreeding, I wonder if we'd see certain genetic adaptations missing.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by sradman on Sunday June 28, 2020 @08:59AM (#23668424)
> But then I remember that my species comes from eastern Africa...

via Madagascar via South East Asia, assuming I'm remembering Jared Diamond correctly. I wonder if there are any Polynesian strains with interesting genetic diversity.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by sradman on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:31PM (#23669921)
I was being fuzzy with my language. Between 5kya and 3kya [1], the domesticated chickens that began their journey in mainland Asia ended up as part of the standard toolkit of the Melanesian and Polynesian people that spread widely throughout the Pacific. If any of those chicken strains remain, they might be genetically unique compared to what we find in mainland Asia today.

I'm interested in the origins of domestication not returning to some form of pastoral idealism. I need to strike "diversity" from my vocabulary. I should have said "interesting genetic variations".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesia#Origins_and_expansio...

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by samstave on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:58AM (#23668713)
Sadly, haven't Humans worked diligently to eliminate genetic diversity in chickens - look at the history of how the Rocky Chicken, the most widely eaten chicken was bred.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cmrdporcupine on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:28AM (#23668908)
There's lots of variety out there still, just not in factory farms.

Lucky for the chicken it has a personality which humans seem to get immense enjoyment out of.

My wife has gone a little chicken crazy since I brought home 4 pullets a couple years ago...

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by ghaff on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:19AM (#23668843)
Go to a fair in farm country and you'll see plenty of variety. But, yes, as with other animals raised for food and dairy (and plants for that matter), mainstream commercial production is mostly a near-monoculture.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by samatman on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:21PM (#23671739)
Which is a trend that must stop.

After we've all seen what SARS2 can do to the industrial world, the risk monoculture poses for breeding a bird flu which can jump to poultry handlers is simply unacceptable.

Monoculture, and the conditions of chicken husbandry, simply must improve. This is an existential risk.