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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by kebman on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:34PM (#23659336)
The logic of your argument seems to be: "There was slavery, so there was systemic racism." Am I right? Then you extruded that argument into: "Because there was slavery, there is also systemic racism today." This is quite a leap, especially considering that slavery was ended on a particular date due to a civil war. Since then, several settlements has been made with racism (systemic or otherwise), some of the most important ones being during the 60's. These settlements have come both in the form of physical changes to the law, but also in the form of a change to the general zeitgeist and in the attitude of most people towards racism. What is happening today, however, is purely the widspread misunderstanding and politization of facts and statistics. On the whole, crime is going down, but if you look at this table from the FBI, the bias does in fact seem to be biased towards whites and not blacks.[1] What do you think about that?

[1]: FBI murder statistics by race from 2018, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 2018 was the latest year I could find such data on.

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by hellomyguys on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:51AM (#23659995)
No I'm asking for you to tell me when systemic racism ended in this country because the crux of your argument is that it has ended and the effects of it historically don't linger today. Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? Are Black people in this country inherently predisposed to making less money or are there systemic reasons for that?

It's odd you continue to focus on crime statistics, something I haven't mentioned at all, as a way to push back on the narrative of systemic racism. For anyone who is Black or a person of color, we know first hand systemic racism is much more than that.

[1]: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining...

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by MuffinFlavored on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:56AM (#23660231)
> Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150?

how many young poor black mothers have children too early (16) with gang members who end up dying from gang violence? isn’t that a modern day common black narrative?

how is a poor white person any worse off than a poor black person? they have same access to all resources. it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks.

some blacks bootstrap themselves out and make it, most don’t. how broken is the system for those that make it out? not very.

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by totony on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:30AM (#23660375)
>it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks.

This is a good point imo. Are they poor because they're black or because their family was poor before them?

I agree people put too much emphasis on more visible bias (ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation) and blame a lot of things which arguably may have originated from these bias, but are furthered by other factors (e.g. slow social mobility - all bias accounted for).

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by dang on Saturday June 27, 2020 @01:34PM (#23663196)
We've banned this account for propagating race war and other flamewar on HN. You can't do that here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by MuffinFlavored on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:53AM (#23660221)
you have to adjust those FBI stats for the fact that black people are 13% of the US population
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by kebman on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:03AM (#23660258)
I agree that per capita numbers always tell a more accurate story. Anyway here's a great resource to make those adjustments: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?d=ACS%205-Year%20Estima...