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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by lisper on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:42PM (#23658850)
The problem is that these principles work great in a homogeneous society where everyone has some kind of stake in the societal outcome. If you take people with a particular skin color and enslave them and otherwise systematically discriminate against them to varying degrees over the course of 400 years then these principles break down. It is going to take a long, long time -- probably multiple generations -- for American society to recover from 400 years of institutionalized racism.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by Joeri on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:24AM (#23659916)
The reality is that US police kill all races at shockingly high rates. Black people are killed at a higher rate, but they are a minority of those killed. The problem of the US police system is excessive use of force against all races, compounded by racism.

Take the UK for example. The UK also has a history of importing slaves, it also has minorities living in poor neighborhoods, it has a similar degree of income inequality as the US, but the rate at which UK police kill civilians is orders of magnitude lower. The UK has as many police killings in a quarter century as the US has in a month, despite having a fifth of the population.

The US police system’s approach seems to be to fight fire with fire, not prevent the fires in the first place. Hence the call to defund the police and invest in prevention. But I think defunding is only part, the police need to be retrained to prevent and deescalate, not to respond to all resistance with deadly force.

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by lisper on Saturday June 27, 2020 @11:06AM (#23662278)
I think the problem starts long before the deadly force. It's not just the rate at which black people are killed, it's the rate at which they are harassed for minor offenses like jaywalking.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by lostlogin on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:21PM (#23663564)
The below reddit link includes a video of a black man being cited for driving 65 in a 70 area, and it hits home.

He has been pulled over many times in the area so is cautious, but it turns out that is a problem too. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/h0xxva/comment/ftq6...

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by meheleventyone on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:31AM (#23660591)
The UK isn’t a homogenous society like that and it also has hundreds of years of institutionalised racism to deal with. So I’m not sure that can be a reason why these principles wouldn’t work in the US.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by gentleman11 on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:14PM (#23663933)
Just to clarify: Canada could hardly be less homogenous and it works here. We call it a “cultural mosaic.” We even have a whole French province that demands special rules. We make it work... mostly alright. Our indigenous people’s are coming out of a few centuries of rough treatment though and there is a large and public reconciliation effort being made by the government and by many institutions. Hopefully the future will be better in that area
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by adamsea on Saturday June 27, 2020 @12:19AM (#23659483)
Dude you have it backwards because the police in the US historically functioned to support slavery.

I bet you didn’t intend it to be but your argument basically blames the victim, when it’s the oppressor who is guilty of a crime - not the oppressed.

It’s the fault of the oppressor for oppressing, that is the blocker to progress, not the response of the oppressed.

The police are what need to change because they were and are a core part of the problem.

Your other points may also have relevance, but are irrelevant until the root cause - which I describe above - is addressed.

If your point was that because of America’s history of racial violence and terror, we need to defund (as opposed to reform with Peelian principles) the police since they were a key component of that system, or something along those lines, then please forgive my mis-understanding :).

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by lisper on Saturday June 27, 2020 @01:40AM (#23659775)
I have no idea how you could construe what I wrote as disagreeing with you.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by adamsea on Saturday June 27, 2020 @10:55PM (#23666455)
It sounds like I misread it - my apologies.