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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by thebradbain on Friday June 26, 2020 @05:46PM (#23657423)
Why does a victim of sexual assault need to report to someone who has a gun? Why does a wellness check need to be performed with a gun? Why does a standard highway patrolman or cop doing routine speed traps need a gun? Why does every cop in a school need a gun? Why is the gun the constant?
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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by iamstupidsimple on Friday June 26, 2020 @06:23PM (#23657739)
> Why does a standard highway patrolman or cop doing routine speed traps need a gun?

Because this is statistically the form of policing most likely to get cops shot.

> Why does every cop in a school need a gun?

A symptom of America's school shooting problem. When your child is being gunned down you'll probably wish the police there were armed.

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by joshuamorton on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:13AM (#23659868)
Perhaps, but school resource officers have a poor track record of addressing school shootings.
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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by zepto on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:25PM (#23658774)
School shootings where children are being gunned down are vanishingly rare.
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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by zaroth on Saturday June 27, 2020 @12:02AM (#23659432)
In 2019, eight people were killed and 43 were injured in 25 school shooting incidents.

2018 was much worse with 37 kids killed in school shootings.

This is roughly the same as the number of unarmed black people shot and killed by police in the line of duty (at least this number has been trending downward for several years).

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by zepto on Saturday June 27, 2020 @12:43PM (#23662860)
Do you have a source for the this?

Reporting of school shootings is notoriously unreliable:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-sch...

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by zaroth on Saturday June 27, 2020 @06:27PM (#23665172)
I agree, there's no standard definition. I grabbed the 8 / 43 number for 2019 here [1]. I see they have similar numebers as what I found for 2018 as well [2].

The 2018 numbers I was referencing was from this 10 year overview [3].

[1] - https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/school-shooting...

[2] - https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/school-shooting...

[3] - https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/07/us/ten-years-of-scho...

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by umvi on Friday June 26, 2020 @06:10PM (#23657645)
> Why does a standard highway patrolman or cop doing routine speed traps need a gun?

Because civilians have shot and killed police during traffic stops? And not just with guns. I seem to remember a road rage case in Colorado where the raging driver shot and killed another driver with a crossbow.

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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by andrewprock on Friday June 26, 2020 @06:23PM (#23657740)
It's not clear how "there is a non-zero chance a motorist has a gun" leads to the conclusion that "all traffic enforcement must have a gun".
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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by raarts on Friday June 26, 2020 @06:44PM (#23657901)
As someone from the Netherlands I can say there's a non-zero chance that a motorist has a gun. It's smaller than the US, but it's not zero. Still our cops carry guns. In the US the chances are way, way higher. I can understand that cops are armed there.
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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by starkd on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:42PM (#23663726)
Because the cop showing up doesn't know before hand whether or not the motorist have a gun. There's a lot of other things they don't know. The person could be a drug/human trafficker, or have a warrant out for him. In which case, they are armed.
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