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Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by Havoc on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:48PM (#23654806)
>the very talented lobbyists at OneWeb have convinced the government that we can completely redesign some of the satellites to piggyback a navigation payload on it.

I mean it's hard not to laugh.

All the major GNSS are herculean focused efforts over decades and the UK leadership reckons a ducktape solution will do.

They would be better off just negotiating (paying) access to military encryption on GPS and Galileo and calling it a day. Redundant encrypted is probably miles better than improvised something anyway

Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by londons_explore on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:45PM (#23655451)
I disagree. GNSS systems used to be very complex and hard to design.

Times have changed though, and nearly all the components are off-the-shelf now. If you already have the capability to launch a satellite, adding GNSS capabilities is a small extra step of adding an atomic clock and an antenna. All the signal generation can be software defined. All the complexity can live in models on the ground.

Sure, some of the 'high power anti-jam directional antenna' bits require more hardware, but the basics do not.

Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by Havoc on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:50PM (#23655521)
>small extra step of adding [...] an antenna

That's where the ducktape comes in I guess? (Just kidding)

I mean yeah GPS is ancient tech. But actually getting the required 24 or whatever satellites into orbit (or retrofitting) and getting the receiver tech into enough hands to get any kind of traction is still a sizable challenge.

Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by rorykoehler on Monday June 29, 2020 @11:32AM (#23678517)
Couldn't they pay SpaceX or a similar company to do it for them?
Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by toomuchtodo on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:16PM (#23658987)
What would the difficulty level be of incorporating GNSS into SpaceX’s StarLink satellites?
Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by usrusr on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:18AM (#23676465)
All the active station keeping required for small satellites in low orbits makes me wonder how much precision would suffer. Perhaps doable but requiring so much constant self-calibration that quality breaks down in areas without a network of active reference base stations? It's difficult to guesstimate the impact with magnitudes so far outside human scale.
Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by londons_explore on Saturday June 27, 2020 @01:21AM (#23659697)
Low... I wouldn't be super surprised to discover they already have capable hardware onboard. Although ground receivers would need to use different frequency ranges and therefore it would probably be a non-starter.
Re:'We've bought the wrong satellites': UK tech gamble baffl... by Havoc on Saturday June 27, 2020 @10:02AM (#23661891)
Good point actually. That could be a nice value add