Re:Why Climate Change Won't Be Stopped (2018)
by seanwilson on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:40PM
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> I'd disagree with #1.
I'm sure we could agree that "what is a climate change death?" is going to be an even harder question to answer, and therefore even easier to purposefully deny, which is my core point.
Re:Why Climate Change Won't Be Stopped (2018)
by dragontamer on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:42PM
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Fair point.
Re:Why Climate Change Won't Be Stopped (2018)
by dave5104 on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:40PM
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Is there any evidence that someone dying in a car crash with COVID19 is being labeled as a COVID19 death?
Your claims seem rather hypothetical otherwise.
Re:Why Climate Change Won't Be Stopped (2018)
by dragontamer on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:42PM
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> Is there any evidence that someone dying in a car crash with COVID19 is being labeled as a COVID19 death?
No. But that's why I bring it up as a hypothetical. This is the hypothetical everyone is supposed to agree with... Because the simple "COVID19 in the system when they die" is clearly not a proper definition.
In practice: The big question is the consistency of the "heart attack" case. What each individual doctor determines to be a COVID19 death isn't really consistent in that situation. It can't be, every medical scenario is different.
Re:Why Climate Change Won't Be Stopped (2018)
by germinalphrase on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:48PM
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Elon Musk said it on Joe Rogan - so it’s a ‘fact’ now.
A large amount of discussion has been around "what is a COVID19 death?" If someone dies with COVID19 in their system, does that count as a COVID19 death?
There are the clear cut cases where someone dies on a ventilator while testing COVID19 positive. A straightforward COVID19 death.
But there are clear negative cases: Consider someone who has COVID19, but gets into a car crash and dies. This ideally wouldn't be a COVID19 death, because it was clear that the car crash killed the person.
But from here on out... cases get more complicated.
But what about someone who tested COVID19 positive, but dies of a heart attack? COVID19 clearly stresses the body, going on oxygen or other treatment, has been proven to cause long term chronic issues. But do we know for sure that the heart attack was causally related to the COVID19 virus?
There's also the case of long-term chronic issues. COVID19 causes kidney damage and lung damage. If (formerly COVID19 patients) people start dying of Kidney failure next year, it is probably COVID19 related, but with a year delay.
This muddles the death count, and ultimately it comes down to individual medical opinions of thousands of doctors. In the case of the heart attack, we classify it as a COVID19 death if it is the opinion of the doctor. I'm not sure if there's a better solution, but that's how the US works.