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Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by lotsofpulp on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:55AM (#23652640)
> The difference is it only took Apple three years to reach $1B in annual sales.

It took far more than that to earn the trust of consumers. Microsoft decided to sit back, collect rent on Windows/Office, and let other business do the hard work of customer service and let their customers deal with malware on their laptops.

Contrast with Apple, who put customer service front and center, opened stores that my parents could go to and talk to someone if they had a problem. They took ownership of the product. And now they are rewarded with the profits.

Microsoft had all the cash in the world to make it happen. But instead, they put Candy Crush in the start menu.

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by listenallyall on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:40PM (#23655400)
> Microsoft decided to sit back

Weak take. Microsoft was very active with numerous mobile offerings -- Pen Computing, Windows Mobile, Tablet and Embedded Windows. You can debate why they ultimately failed -- too early, insufficient hardware, too Windows-centric -- but @billg was never content just "collecting rent" and not innovating, especially in mobile, internet, and connectivity.

Your bias is obvious when you describe MSFT as "collecting rent" (negative connotation) and AAPL as "rewarded with profits" (positive).

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by deanCommie on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:53PM (#23655548)
None of these products were for consumers.

Even on the business side, Microsoft never understood or cared about their users (besides maybe Word and Excel users), and marketed towards CEOs and COMPANIES.

see: Sharepoint which is the most financially successful Microsoft product ever, yet every end user despises it.

They never tried or cared to work backwards from a consumer user or what they wanted, they just started from "how do we make billions of dollars from licensing fees".

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by loydb on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:06AM (#23652784)
> Microsoft had all the cash in the world to make it happen. But instead, they put Candy Crush in the start menu.

And got rid of Pinball. :(

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by yellowstuff on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:13AM (#23652882)
Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by blibble on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:28AM (#23653084)
that's one of the pathetic excuses I've ever read

they're an OS developer and they can't spend a day figuring out a floating point bug?

maybe redirect some of the time integrating Candy Crush

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by ryandrake on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:57PM (#23654933)
The follow-up on open sourcing the code was also unhelpful:

> Hey everybody asking that the source code be released: The source code was licensed from another company. If you want the source code, you have to go ask them.

OK, which company?

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by coldpie on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:22PM (#23655206)
Well, in 1995 it was developed by Cinematronics and published by Maxis. In 2020, who knows. Probably Disney.
Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by jodrellblank on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:10PM (#23654333)
Windows 7 came out in 2009, at least three years before candy crush.

> they're an OS developer and they can't spend a day figuring out a floating point bug?

Maybe it’s bad to argue by appeal to authority, but I take Raymond Chen’s side that it was a hard problem to debug in the time available over some internet sneering that it must have been easy, any day.

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 27, 2020 @07:36PM (#23665587)
> Windows 7 came out in 2009, at least three years before candy crush.

Well they haven't ported it in the decade since.

> in the time available

Same response.

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by mrguyorama on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:48AM (#23653319)
They don't own the code
Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by bcrosby95 on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:36PM (#23653912)
According to the link: they licensed the code and had access to it. But none of them wrote it and they couldn't justify the days of debugging that would be required when they had millions of other LOC to test and port.
Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by jodrellblank on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:06PM (#23654266)
> and let their customers deal with malware on their laptops.

They upped their game with the built in Windows Defender to the point where you don’t need third party AV because it’s rated so highly.

> Contrast with Apple, who put customer service front and center, opened stores that my parents could go to and talk to someone if they had a problem.

Like all the retail stores Microsoft opened, which people in this thread are saying provided a really good experience?

> Microsoft had all the cash in the world to make it happen. But instead, they put Candy Crush in the start menu.

Contrast with Apple who put sponsored results in the App Store and prevent you from deleting default apps in macOS Catalina? https://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/dfetr4/comment/f32q81e

Re:Microsoft to permanently close its retail stores by scarface74 on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:51PM (#23654855)
Did you read the link? It didn’t say you couldn’t do it. You have to jump through hoops but they are well defined hoops.