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Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by redredrobot on Friday June 26, 2020 @03:02AM (#23649464)
> Amazon doesn’t invest in greenfield projects that are not customer facing

I don't think this is very true, they are just very good at turning around and selling the internal tech.

The underlying technology for AWS was developed internally and it was not customer facing at first.

Similarly if you look at their internal data platforms, they have invested heavily even though it's not customer facing (yet, because eventually they will start selling services inspired by the internal systems via AWS).

I remember watching a presentation on how they invested large amounts of money into prototyping FC robotics technologies.

If you look at AWS Kinesis or EventBridge, the technologies were developed for internal usage before they were sold. There is also considerable investment into distributed consensus technologies that hasn't been turned directly into products (yet).

You're kind of right in that Amazon doesn't spend much time working on greenfield projects that don't have any forseeable business value (in contrast to say Google), but that is in many way a product of their organizational structure where two-pizza teams are supposed to do 'research' as part of their product work rather than having a pure R&D division.

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by scarface74 on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:47AM (#23651915)
The underlying technology for AWS was developed internally and it was not customer facing at first.

Will this myth ever die?

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2891297/the-myth-about-...

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by justicezyx on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:20PM (#23654430)
I think the internal tech is definitely part of original AWS, but of course, quickly it grows beyond that, and the majority of aws has no relevance with other Amazon tech. But the statement is definitely right at the beginning.

Plus, AWS no longer use such narrative anyway.

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by scarface74 on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:34PM (#23654612)
No it never was. AWS was always built from the ground up to be an external service. A number of publicly available interviews say the same thing.

https://www.se-radio.net/2014/12/episode-216-adrian-cockcrof...

Edit: that’s not the right podcast. This was before he went to AWS. I can’t for the life of me find the interview.

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by Tempest1981 on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:22PM (#23655212)
Did Amazon internally dog-food it before it went public? Maybe that's the confusion.
Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by scarface74 on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:33PM (#23655320)
I can’t speak for how it worked in the past, but AWS and Amazon are run as two separate companies. AWS treats Amazon Retail just like any other customer and Amazon treats AWS like a third party vendor as far as choosing whether to adopt an AWS technology.

But if someone with deeper insight than someone who has been working at Amazon/AWS for -3 days (I start Monday), I’m glad to be proven wrong.

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by 7952 on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:41AM (#23650880)
Wasn't there an edict that amazon internal services have to be designed from the ground up to be externalizable. So even internal technology is designed with being customer facing in mind.
Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by strgcmc on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:44PM (#23654749)
There is no mandate that I'm aware of (not that I know everything about everything), but it's definitely the case that projects with "externalization potential" (making up a phrase out of thin air) will generally be more likely to get funded and prioritized (of course, why wouldn't they be preferred?).

So, even without a mandate, the market forces at play in terms of proposing roadmap projects and choosing what to invest in, will naturally tend to favor those solutions with can pull double-duty (solve an immediate problem/pain-point that Amazon already has, and with a clear path/potential to be converted into or evolve into an external sell-able service too).

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by bkanber on Friday June 26, 2020 @03:10PM (#23655767)
Here is Bezos' mandate from 2002. Quite prescient: https://jesusgilhernandez.com/2012/10/18/jeff-bezos-mandate-...
Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by strgcmc on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:10AM (#23690842)
It's a little different from the idea of "all services must be something we can turn around and sell to customers", but yes it was a good idea to enforce service interfaces and forbid tight coupling at a architectural level.
Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by dahfizz on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:09PM (#23656397)
I think this is what you are referring to[1]. I don't think the goal is making everything externizable, I think the goal is just to have good api's everywhere. Easy productization is a side effect.

[1] https://medium.com/slingr/what-year-did-bezos-issue-the-api-...

Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by TheCoelacanth on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:03AM (#23652059)
Does than mandate predate the creation of AWS?
Re:Amazon to pay $1B+ for Zoox by xxpor on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:49PM (#23654819)
According to the Yegge rant, it was some time around 2001/2002/2003, so yes.

https://gist.github.com/chitchcock/1281611