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Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by seppin on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:09PM (#23647294)
Speech that leads to violence, how about starting with that?
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by Reelin on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:46PM (#23647902)
> Speech that leads to violence, how about starting with that?

That's already illegal in most (all?) of the US. The precedent for that is Brandenburg v. Ohio; the legal term is "imminent lawless action". (Regarding Facebook, my understanding is that they will happily remove such speech. That's what the report button is for.)

Of course that doesn't provide for censoring politically incorrect or socially unacceptable views so naturally people get bent out of shape and proceed to use terms such as "violence" and "harm" in creative new ways.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by seppin on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:35AM (#23649016)
You obviously don't follow the President on Twitter, or have any idea of the scope of "revolutionary" private groups on Facebook.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by allarm on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:13PM (#23647719)
Literally anything can lead to violence. It’s just a matter of interpretation. How about stopping with the censorship and fighting with the violence itself?
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by seppin on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:37AM (#23649025)
> Literally anything can lead to violence.

Literally anything and lead to anything, that's not an argument it's a distraction.

> How about stopping with the censorship

For the 1,000,000th time, private company cleaning up garbage content its "censorship". Only governments engage in censorship. Every private business has the ability to clean up their space without needed to ask permission.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by infamia on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @05:56PM (#23695248)
Asserting that "Only governments engage in censorship." is objectively false.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

While government censorship naturally comes to mind, anyone can practice censorship from governments, private organizations, and even individuals.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by allarm on Friday June 26, 2020 @05:16AM (#23650129)
> Literally anything can lead to anything.

I’m glad you get my point.

> private company cleaning up garbage content its “censorship”

And again )

Jokes aside - I am still waiting when people like you start burning books with “garbage” content. I’ll give it 2 years from now. Oh wait, haven’t you already started? Thinking of “Gone with the Wind” now. Oh, it’s back already. But with a disclaimer that it ‘denies horrors of slavery’ and stuff. Like modern people are just unable to understand it right and they require some proper guidance to think in the correct way.

An anecdote: in USSR we had these western/European movie shows on very rare occasions. Normally, before every show a communist party member would make a speech where he/she would warn the watchers that the alien western ideology might harm their soviet minds. It’s very interesting to see how there same thing starts to happen again, voluntarily, in the western world. Way to go, kids )

The argument you’re using - “only governments engage in censorship” - is just an excuse for you to justify the censorship in social media. It’s just a matter of definition, but the result is the same. The social media corporations of the Facebook scale have the same (or even larger) impact on the public consciousness as the government propaganda machine and should not be treated differently.

Actually, the government’s censorship looks even nicer, because they at least provide the legal definition of “garbage”, whereas you guys just call a “garbage” anything you don’t like today. Anything “alien” to your current ideology.

There’s also no such thing as a “right thing”. There are only actions that are legal or not. The violent acts are illegal - work on stopping these. Otherwise, it’s (obviously) a slippery slope (I can’t believe I said this). Simply because the fluctuations of the meaning of “right thing to do” and “garbage information” are completely unpredictable you should be very much afraid of using such moral criteria.

That’s basically the freedom of information and speech people of my country died for in mental hospitals and gulags.

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Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by allarm on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:39PM (#23812597)
Low effort.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by young_unixer on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:34PM (#23647466)
Ban all politics from Facebook then?
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Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by dang on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:33PM (#23648126)
Please don't do this here.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by steveeq1 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:45PM (#23648181)
Do what?
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by dang on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:47PM (#23648187)
Posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by steveeq1 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:56PM (#23648237)
It's a perfectly valid comment to people who want to get rid of "hate speech" but say nothing about the popularity of gangsta rap within this same crowd.

I never understood this.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by dang on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:02PM (#23648261)
People are going to assume that you're bringing this up as a trope of culture war and race war, and I'm doubtful that they would be particularly wrong to assume that. That makes it flamebait, which is against the site guidelines. Please don't post like that to HN.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by steveeq1 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:32PM (#23648404)
It's a perfectly valid argument and one that I like to make. The "hate speech" crowd rarely, if ever, protests over rap music and for the life of me I never understood why.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by allarm on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:14PM (#23647730)
And metal music. And anime. And many books.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by falcolas on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:34AM (#23648750)
“No taxation without representation.”

Sorry, I know that’s pretty extreme.