Re:On Liberty (1859) [pdf]
by watwut on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:42AM
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First half of your comment has zero to do with free speech and even less with freedom in general.
> it was the 'local ladies groups' that usually catered weddings -> for free (!) back in the day
And in between, women ability to earn money and social status by working went way up. We are less economically dependent on knowing everyone on the street, less dependent on hoping people will reciprocate the effort. We also socialize at work more, so we are not so lonely unless we form these organizations. Stay at home women who don't go out of their way to meet others are incredibly isolated and lonely, with all negative consequences, but todays women are dealing with this problem much less.
This has less to do with consumerism and more to do with pragmatical choices. All the socializing and networking that is necessary for all this was looked down at anyway. Despite completely necessary for sanity.
Men were not making sandwitches, because they were the ones who went to work.
> people just have so many choices, young people can literally do anything
Young people do things, they did not ceased to exist. They are even, all in all not that badly behaved - they are less violent, they take less drugs, teenage pregnancies are down.
> The clubs my parents belong to are having a hard time attracting the kids as members which they have done for generations.
Why would club membership was seen as good or bad or had anything to do with freedom or consumerism? It is either leisure activity or business networking activity, both of which moved elsewhere.
> it was the 'local ladies groups' that usually catered weddings -> for free (!) back in the day
And in between, women ability to earn money and social status by working went way up. We are less economically dependent on knowing everyone on the street, less dependent on hoping people will reciprocate the effort. We also socialize at work more, so we are not so lonely unless we form these organizations. Stay at home women who don't go out of their way to meet others are incredibly isolated and lonely, with all negative consequences, but todays women are dealing with this problem much less.
This has less to do with consumerism and more to do with pragmatical choices. All the socializing and networking that is necessary for all this was looked down at anyway. Despite completely necessary for sanity.
Men were not making sandwitches, because they were the ones who went to work.
> people just have so many choices, young people can literally do anything
Young people do things, they did not ceased to exist. They are even, all in all not that badly behaved - they are less violent, they take less drugs, teenage pregnancies are down.
> The clubs my parents belong to are having a hard time attracting the kids as members which they have done for generations.
Why would club membership was seen as good or bad or had anything to do with freedom or consumerism? It is either leisure activity or business networking activity, both of which moved elsewhere.