News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:On Liberty (1859) [pdf] by xpe on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:58AM (#23637072)
> That is the platform of the trans positive groups.

Please include a link to some of these platforms.

> If I don’t use the proper pronoun at the right time for that person, again, I am committing hate speech.

This is a big claim -- please share a reference.

> If I say no one floats across the spectrum like that...

What is your basis for saying this?

Re:On Liberty (1859) [pdf] by jariel on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:54AM (#23637320)
I don't think his choice of words is perfectly accurate, but the notion is.

See: Ontario school's 'Gender Unicorn'.

It's essentially now state-sanctioned orthodoxy, and if you don't buy it, you're basically fascist, and very close to legal scrutiny.

I think a lot of the concern over it is really misplaced, and some loud voices are 'true bigots' kind of thing, and I think it has good intentions. But I also reject the orthodoxy of the information, and the lack of rights concerning the role of parents in moral foundation of their children. It should be worthy of debate, but there will be none.

[1] http://www.children.gov.on.ca/htdocs/English/professionals/L...

Re:On Liberty (1859) [pdf] by virmundi on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:51AM (#23640091)
I don’t need a basis other than feelings now. However my feeling are invalid because they are not the currently beloved norms.
Re:On Liberty (1859) [pdf] by xpe on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:35PM (#23653897)
>>> you: If I say no one floats across the spectrum like that...

>> me: What is your basis for saying this?

> you: I don’t need a basis other than feelings now.

Of course your feelings and experiences matter. However, if you want to (a) have a deeper conversation; (b) help others understand where you are coming from; or (c) possibly convince other people, I suggest you try to unpack your experience.

> However my feeling are invalid because they are not the currently beloved norms.

If I interpret this literally: This is not true. Of course your feelings are valid.

If I interpret it this as sarcasm: I encourage you to rephrase your point; sarcasm is not useful if you want to engage in discussion.

My tentative impression, so far:

1. You seem currently seem focused on a narrow mental framing of this issue. You seem to fixate on a particular part of the debate without much rigor or reflection.

2. I have not seen much of a willingness or skill to engage on a deeper level.

3. It appears to me that you are using HN to vent. Keep in mind that venting or mischaracterizing others does not suit the audience here.

I'm not asking you to change your experience, values, or goals. I'm asking you to put an effort to engage and listen. I'm also asking you to use your strong feelings about the issue to encourage a deeper investigation into the situation; the nuances. At the very least, you can improve on how you present your experience, arguments, philosophy, etc.