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Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by triceratops on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:34PM (#23633523)
We in tech have to stop thinking that these politicians don't understand or know what they're proposing. Or that they would change their minds "if only we could explain it right". It's not a problem of information.

The fact of the matter is some parties (by which I mean groups, not political parties) have an abiding interest in keeping strong encryption and privacy out of the hands of the population at large. Banning E2E encryption either outright, or through the backdoor (EARN IT act) from major Internet platforms will accomplish this. Therefore, arguments like "You can't ban math" or "The real criminals will just move to platforms that use E2E encryption" don't work.

What's worse, they try and pass these laws using Think of the Children[1]. It's tested, and effective. It works because it's an emotional appeal and most voters are emotional creatures (including me, and you). Like a popular Internet meme says "You can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into."

Fortunately we can (honestly) use Think of the Children to fight back. Literally every child in the US uses the Internet to chat with their friends and send pictures, write their journal, do their homework, get their grades, and communicate with their doctors or therapists. Weakening encryption therefore endangers every child, risking exposing their innermost thoughts and conversations to the worst sort of people online.

We have to start couching this issue in terms that regular people understand.

"Would you lock your backyard gate, where your children play, with a TSA lock?"

"What if your pediatrician's office told you their doors and file cabinets have a TSA lock on them? Anyone can just buy a key on Amazon, walk in, and rifle through everything they have."

I honestly worry about a future where my children have no privacy. Where any online predator can potentially access everything they say, send, post, or do online. That makes me anxious and frankly, a little angry.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by nickff on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:20PM (#23634009)
As the Wikipedia article demonstrates, 'think of the children' is not usually a motivating factor, it is a way of stymieing criticism by implying the opponent is sociopathic and doesn't care about children. It is similar to accusing someone of racism or sexism, in an effort to shut them down. These tactics are all very effective in our currently sociopolitical climate.

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to use this tactic to advocate in favor of something (rather than against it).

I wish I had a suggestion for how to parry the accusation, but I don't.

Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by triceratops on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:28PM (#23634078)
I think we have to go on the offensive. We can use Think of the Children to promote legislation that mandates strong encryption on online platforms. It can also prohibit any legislation that tries to incentivize companies to weaken encryption, like the EARN IT act. Maybe the latter will require a constitutional amendment, I'm not sure.

Without a law like this, we're just going to keep fighting the same battle every 4-6 years. They only have to win once, we have to win every time. It's not a fair fight.

Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by nickff on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:34PM (#23634135)
I strongly favor end-to-end encryption, but I just don't see 'think of the children' working as an effective message in favor of anything.

I happen to believe that it was protected by the first, fourth, and ninth amendments, but I am not sure it is possible to erect permanent legal bulwarks against ever-expanding federal powers. As an example, the second amendment specifically enumerates gun rights, yet it is under constant assault. The only way I can see to protect this type of individual liberty would be to radically de-scope the federal government, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Again, I really wish I could be more optimistic, but I just don't see any realistic hope.

Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by resfirestar on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:53PM (#23633743)
While think of the children is a factor, I think without an ongoing moral panic or any evidence of rising crimes against children it doesn’t have the political base needed to spur action one way or another. The political push for backdooring encryption is coming from law enforcement not concerned parents. No need for Congress to look for wide public buy in to pass something like EARN IT or this, what supporters need is to convince people to not care. And the argument that does that is “nothing to hide, nothing to fear”.
Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by suizi on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:51PM (#23633724)
Think of the minority children.

Think of the LGBT children who may want to speak to a safe and established community / therapist confidentially about problems in an abusive household which rejects them for what they are.

Think about all the children who may need counselling during the COVID-19 outbreak who do not need secrecy from family but can't physically attend and don't want strangers peeking in.

Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by novok on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:03PM (#23633851)
By adding minority you unfortunately just made it into a partisan vs a bipartisan issue.
Re:Republicans Push Bill Requiring Tech Companies Give Encry... by triceratops on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @06:15PM (#23634483)
You can make it work the other way too.

"Think of the children that want to embrace $RELIGION but happen to live in a den of $DEITYless liberals."

"Think of the children afraid to express conservative views online because of a lack of privacy protections."